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Old Mar 22, 2016 | 02:09 PM
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1999 E150 5.4 PCV Elbow Collapsed

Suspecting this might posssibly be causing my P0131 and P0171 codes but not sure. Is this a fairly common thing to fail? Looks like the elbow is supposed to be 90 degrees but mine was folded on top of itself like a fortune cookie. Anyone experience this before? What's the best fix? What kinds of problems can this cause if left unfixed?
 
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Old Mar 22, 2016 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by dbbldz
Suspecting this might posssibly be causing my P0131 and P0171 codes but not sure. Is this a fairly common thing to fail? Looks like the elbow is supposed to be 90 degrees but mine was folded on top of itself like a fortune cookie. Anyone experience this before? What's the best fix? What kinds of problems can this cause if left unfixed?

I broke mine trying to replace the PCV valve. Got a replacement from the "help-me" section at Oreillys. The valve allows the intake to pull oil vapors into the intake for burning. If it plugs up, pressure builds in the crankcase and oil will be pushed past the gaskets. jim
 
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Old Mar 22, 2016 | 08:43 PM
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If you're talking about the elbow on the back of the intake - very common.

Just replace it. Easy to do on the vans - not so much on the F-series.

Could cause the P0171. Not so sure about the P0131. Would expect P0174 as well.

Having P0131 and P0171 together might have nothing to do with the PCV and more to due with a retired O2 sensor or wiring issue.
 
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Old Mar 23, 2016 | 06:38 AM
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This is the replacement part for that elbow:
http://www.amazon.com/Dorman-46017-HELP-Elbow-Assembly/dp/B000QUZ568?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_sfl_title_80&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER http://www.amazon.com/Dorman-46017-HELP-Elbow-Assembly/dp/B000QUZ568?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_sfl_title_80&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER


The Dorman number can be cross-referenced by most any good local parts seller.

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Old Mar 24, 2016 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JWA
This is the replacement part for that elbow: http://www.amazon.com/Dorman-46017-H...=ATVPDKIKX0DER


The Dorman number can be cross-referenced by most any good local parts seller.

HTH
Unfortunately this wasn't the right fit the diameter on the larger side of the rubber elbow is much too large and doesn't fit over the PCV valve.

Ended up buying the OEM assembly from Ford but now I have the opposite problem. The rubber elbow that connects to the intake manifold is much too small so the part Ford gave me must not be right... very irritating... unless I'm doing it wrong.
 
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Old Mar 24, 2016 | 07:58 PM
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do you have the part number for the part you bought from ford?
Was this the part you bought?
F85Z-6C324-EA


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-OEM-Heated-PCV-Valve-Connector-W-Hose-F85Z-6C324-EA-Factory-1997-1999-5-4L-/121457676998?fits=Make%3AFord
 
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Old Mar 24, 2016 | 08:38 PM
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It was this one... F75Z-6C324-JA





no extra hose coming off like in the "heated" version but just doesn't fit on the intake manifold... compared to the old rubber piece that was on there it's much smaller which makes me think I need the 3/4" not the 5/8" but don't really understand how the heated PCV valve works or where it gets hooked up? I'm not really sure I even need it but would prefer not using the old rubber grommet around the intake manifold since it's a bit worn with some cracks but still airtight for now (the 5/8" end of the new part fits pretty well over the old grommet but not really a permanent solution).
 
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Old Mar 24, 2016 | 09:02 PM
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The odd thing is that I don't really see where another hose would go but I might be missing something. workshop manual doesn't mention a heated PCV system but did list part number "6758" which didn't get me much closer. As you can see it looks nothing like the one Ford has recommended for me. Very confused...


 
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Old Mar 24, 2016 | 09:58 PM
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did ford look the part up using your vin number? it appears that there are several different part numbers.
This is supposed to be the pcv valve and grommet
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-BRAN...-/170922860240

F75Z-6C324-JA


Ok after searching around a bit more,, If there is a ford dealer near you, it would be best if you go there with your vin number and let them look it up. You can also check it right there for fit..
Did you buy the van new? Perhaps the PO changed it or the PCV valve..
 
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Old Mar 24, 2016 | 10:50 PM
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I bought it used as a fixer upper project. The original hose had definitely been tampered with somehow since it's plastic and clearly broke and was patched up using some sort of tube.

I talked to the parts guy at Ford today he said that there was only one hose assembly for my van and that the one I bought was wrong. But the one I actually need has an extra hose so that's mostly what I'm confused about now!

Interesting point though... it didn't dawn on me that perhaps the PCV valve installed might be the wrong one replaced by the PO. If all else fails I'll bring it into the dealer so they can take a look at it for themselves and recommend a course of action.
 
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Old Mar 25, 2016 | 12:03 AM
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Unless you are very lucky, I doubt you will find a ford dealer who will spend any time with you without charging! When I was younger, shops didn't mind helping people out.
I dont know about the 99 models but my 88 can be driven with the doghouse off and breather assembly off. It is actually quite interesting to drive it with the doghouse off as you can see and hear the engine right there! The problem in my 99 is that it gets very hot in the cabin very fast!
i mention this because if your 99 is anything lie my 88, you will need the doghouse off to access the pcv system.. If you are close enough to a dealer then you could drive it there and easily check the parts they recommend. The parts guy should also be able to print out diagrams for you and you could see if it had a heated pcv system on it originally.
You really need a Ford service manual. I looked around a little bit and couldn't find one except for club wagon.
 
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Old Mar 25, 2016 | 12:36 AM
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Yes my 99 gets HOT HOT HOT especially the floorboards in the cab. I've never driven my 99 with the doghouse off before but I don't see why I wouldn't be able to. It's off right now... and I've taken off the old PCV hose already but the new part doesn't fit as I mentioned above

I have the 1999 Econoline Club Wagon workshop manual (2-volumes) that's where the above picture is from. I was under the impression that Econoline and Club Wagon were names used interchangably during the lates 90s but I guess I could be wrong about that?
 
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Just make sure you don't have any exhaust leaks and roll down the windows, it will get hot in there! In mine I could hear solenoids and other parts clicking as well as when I cut the engine off, I could hear the oil dripping back down in the engine.
I have never owned a club wagon but when looking up parts, occasionally one is different.
I am not sure but think the club wagons main difference is that it is a passenger van?
I don't know if they are all extended vans or not. Is yours?
My 88 is a 7 passenger conversion van right now, (hope to make it a camper one day) but it could easily hold another row of seats..
 
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Old Mar 25, 2016 | 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by annaleigh
Just make sure you don't have any exhaust leaks and roll down the windows, it will get hot in there! In mine I could hear solenoids and other parts clicking as well as when I cut the engine off, I could hear the oil dripping back down in the engine.
I have never owned a club wagon but when looking up parts, occasionally one is different.
I am not sure but think the club wagons main difference is that it is a passenger van?
I don't know if they are all extended vans or not. Is yours?
My 88 is a 7 passenger conversion van right now, (hope to make it a camper one day) but it could easily hold another row of seats..
Mine was a club wagon, XLT trim. The 3rd row bench was a foldout bed, almost queen size. jim
 
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