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Old Aug 11, 2003 | 12:57 PM
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Know where can I get details on what tows what and how much wieght goes?
I need to research these facts to make a purchase on used equipment.
ie,Can I tow a case 580 behind an F-250 on a trailor?
What is the real deal with the combination of truck and tractor hauling?How big can i go behind an f250 w/ a 351 engine?
If any one is selling a backhoe loader near jersey, send me a link to it.
 
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Old Aug 12, 2003 | 04:20 AM
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Rebel. I think that your question can best be answered by going to the official site Ford trucks.com. They do have a good scale and definitions of what you are looking for..
 
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Old Aug 12, 2003 | 12:46 PM
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I saw the specs link and didnt see anything on older models.
I forgot to mention the truck is 1985 f250 w/ dump stock body.
reply with a link for me if you can. other wise. please dont.thanks for your input jim.
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Old Aug 12, 2003 | 06:39 PM
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How much does a backhoe weigh?
What does a trailer big enough to haul a backhoe weigh?

Post info on your truck:

GVWR
transmission
axle ratio
wheelbase
4x2 or 4x4
 
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Old Aug 12, 2003 | 07:10 PM
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fair enough,
my guess is that a f250 could pull a 1250 lb deere 310d loader backhoe, but barely. what i need is the max towing numbers including the gvw on the trailor verses the tongue wieght on the truck hitch.
if the truck is able to haul 1 ton of wieght(how much is 1 ton?)then it should have a way less tongue wieght rating unless the trailor has its own brakes.
then we're talking horse power to pull not brake or even carrying the load.just pulling right?
recap: max backhoe loader weight possible behind an f150, and with what trailor, that's non cdl required.
 
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Old Aug 12, 2003 | 07:26 PM
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You still didn't answer the question.
Pictures of this JD loader might help...I have never heard of a 1250lb loader backhoe.
like Horsepuller said -
GVWR
Trans
Ax. Rt.
4x2 or 4x4
wheelbase
and...
Tires - size and load rating
engine - diesel or gas - and what size
Perf upgrades on truck
#miles
 
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Old Aug 13, 2003 | 11:09 AM
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Called my buddy in the equipment business. A Case 580 backhoe weights around 18,000 pounds. A John Deere track loader, assuming a 355, weighs around 24,000 pounds. A trailer to handle these weights would be around 5,000 to 8,000 pounds. I believe it is safe to say not a F-250 ever build could handle these weights. A F-350 Dually PSD, with the correct trailer, MIGHT ! handle the backhoe.

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Old Aug 13, 2003 | 11:39 AM
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"You will need to check with your transportation dept. to see what is legal
in your state.
I really can not answer your question. My backhoe will weigh about 12500
pounds if that helps.
I also have more backhoes at www.wengers.com"
this was mailed to me. 1250 was a typo sorry.
12500 lbs. for a JD 310 d style.
I would send pics but i am not sure how it would help this post.
i mean , i know i want a backhoe loader,i just dont know what i will end up with because i need the numbers before i go shopping for one.
As i may have said, we are talking about a 1985 F250
single axle, w/ 351 Windser, 4 speed man ,towing hitch,and this one dumps a stock bed( a trick i wanted) i will pay aprox 3300 for it. I figured i would then get a trailor, lastly getting a tractor.
What would the trailor weigh you say, idk.you tell me.
i want this truck's towing numbers. how much weight can it pull, how much can a trailor w/ tractor weigh behind it non cdl required.
i got to go now cya later today ! and thanks for this help.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2003 | 04:06 PM
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1981 F250 regular cab
133" wheelbase
Engine: 5.8L
Transmission: automatic (manual not approved for towing)
Axle: 3.73 minimum
Stabilizer Bars: front and rear, recommended
Cooling Package: super cooling, recommended
Trailer Class, III. Hitch: Weight carrying. Maximum trailer gross weight: 5,000#.
Trailer Class, IV. Hitch: Weight distributing. Maximum trailer gross weight: 7,000#.
GCWR: 12,300#
 

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Old Aug 13, 2003 | 05:33 PM
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it starts to sound like the back hoe would be on the small side.
say the towing is 5000# (#=lbs)

post info on the truck:
gvwr i dont know yet.
tranny is a manual 4 speed
i dont know the gears numbers yet either.( i havnt bought this truck yet)
it 2 wd
it is a regular cab w/ 8 foot bed that dumps(stock body)
it has a major looking hitch on it, the kind that has an arm inserted.(again, i dont know the name given here either)
GVWR ,,, if a trailor could hold say 7000 lbs. gross wieght and could stop on it's own, what does that do for the towing number of the truck.
Also i lke the idea for a automatic tranny.I been argueing that one for years with my friends.they all say the manual has more torque , but it dont tow well right ?
ok stay with me till the end here fellas,
i will try to edit these within the1 hour, but i do have my 1 and 5 year olds to watch after here.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2003 | 09:05 PM
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There was a guy around here that hauled his 15,000lb Case backhoe behind his Chevy 3/4 ton with a 454. Wore the truck out completely. Get an F550 or a F-Super Duty. If that doesn't work, find a used semi.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2003 | 10:02 AM
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I laughed ! but say, isnt this a ford forum? Not saying a small ford will live long pulling big wieght but still it would fair better then any chevy challenge.
The tractor i have in mind is a kubota type b21 through to thier L48 size models. they start at 3836 lbs. and go up to 7760 lbs.
now i know you all think i want a huge set up here but i dont really. think small but big enough to do work like pull a stump or dig a small foundation, maybe do a little grading or even run a cable. I just dont want to be too under powered. I hear the terms "landscaper size" and "residential size"
the residential one is so cute you want to buy it just for fun.
but i think it would become abused real quick.like your 3/4 ton chevy pulling 18000 lbs. i dont want to go out that way.
but i will try a f250 pulling up to 10000 on a self stopping trailor that has a tongue wieght that would be at the most, half the trucks gvwr. ( that means we can talk about tongue wieght and the trucks ability to pull it)
the yugo can pull the house, if the house can stand on its own and stop on its own.
sure you'd want to add on more yugos eventually,but for the price of a yugo, who cares about the torture.
there is also the myth that a person can lean on an ocean liner at the dock and move it out to sea, if he stayed leaning long enough. this principle has me thinking i can go BIG when it comes to choosing which backhoe and which truck to use.
i dont wish to abuse a ford to pull, but i am not ready for a big ford yet. remember, i am graduating from an f150, and i thought the 1 ton 250 would suffice for now. i was told the trailor would need be rated at 10,000 minimum, w/ electric brakes and be 18 feet long.( was told nothing about a tongue wieght )(how does tongue wieght apply here)(i now know 1 ton is 2000 lbs.)If the tongue wieght is small or nill for a trailor that holds a heavy load, then why not use minimal power (f250 sized truck)to pull it?
i know this is alot to read but you all are so detail oriented and i am just wanting quick answers. please tolerate me here.
i do appreciate every good reply. pictures could follow so stop back again later to see what i end up buying, i mean i will spare you all the site of my existing ford.
it's only beautiful to me because i am the beholder.lol
 

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Old Aug 14, 2003 | 10:32 AM
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The F-250 is a 3/4 ton. F-350 is 1 ton.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2003 | 10:46 AM
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OK , noted, what do you think about max tongue wieght of these trucks ?
even at 3/4 ton, could it be possible to pull a trailor that carries and stops 5 tons on its own? how much tongue wieght will i experience with this setup?
And how much should i pay for an early model f350?
should it be duel wheeled axle?
what size motors are in the 350s?
 
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Old Aug 14, 2003 | 06:20 PM
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F-350 1 ton truck will pull an 18 foot long trailor ,tractor wieghing approx. 8,000 lbs, and a trailor wieghing approx 2,000 lbs.

I've got a $19,000.00 budget for all three.
I already own a 1983 F150 reg cab 8 ft bed 3 spd auto 4.9 ltr six cyl.
My truck has got to go to make way for the new huh?
I mean i would find an early F350 ,buy a trailor, then put the rest of the money down on a newer $25,000.00 loader/backhoe.
maybe keep the F150 for cruisin around in.
hmmm
 
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