I was wondering if anyone has purchased the Flight Systems Group performance remanufactured injectors. I'd love to see some reviews on the product, and really haven't seen anything more detailed then what's on Diesel Power Products' website.

Also, is there any reason why they're $900 cheaper (including core charge) at Diesel Auto Power (when comparing to the majority of retailers)? Seems like an extreme discount, to me.

Flight Systems Group Performance Reman Injector +70HP - FSG-P5560B - Diesel Auto Power, LLC

Flight Systems High Performance 6.0L Powerstroke Injectors

 

Never heard of them,they only have a 6 month warranty. Just remember,you get what you pay for and there's no free lunch

 

Well, I completely understand the mentality of "getting what you pay for", but I also haven't really got much value out of this truck thus far (for the notorious problems inherent with the flawed design)... so there is also an argument that sometimes you do not get what you paid for.

That aside, looking further into the company, it seems like they're out of Pennsylvania and have been around since '68. I dug up a link to their company here: Flight Systems Electronics Group
So, its nice to see its an American-based company with some history.

But, aside from having ISO credentials... I do not see much in the way of reviews.

 

You got to do the "correct" mods to make these trucks dependable and you can't beat Fords 2 year warranty. There are proven parts out there. Check here through out FTE to get the right ones. I'm game to try something new if the vendor is willing to back it up,but 6 months isn't enough in my book.

 

One way to save parts is to reuse things that really should be tossed out
when doing a rebuild. Rebuilding Vs remanufacturing : There is a big difference
between the two. The reman people can't or don't have access to the design
specifications.

Also don't forget that if one of the $900 less set of injectors fail badly
your up for a new motor or into a full rebuild. Is that worth it?



Sean <BR>

6.0L Tech Folder

 

I've been following information regarding proper bulletproofing, via FTE as well as other sources. The EGR is deleted using a replacement up-pipe, instead of block-off plates. I've got a coolant filter, and am working on purchasing a bypass oil filter. I replaced the oil cooler, with a factory oil cooler. Now I'm looking at failing injectors, because I tested the FICM and IPR... to no avail.

I'm thinking that I may just give this company a shot, since it is a US company and I'm really quite tight on money. The last few repairs have forced me to use my savings, and this is becoming more habitual then random. If this company turns out to be a flop, I'll be more-likely to part out a common rail Dodge for its Cummins then keep nickel and diming this engine. I'd like to get to a point where this truck isn't emptying my wallet just for driving it.


I'm fully aware of the differences in terminology. And, as for the price difference between the two sites, they're the same product listed. That's why I was confused. Such a vast difference in pricing seems strange to me, when you're getting the same thing.

 

Sean is saying you're NOT getting the same thing. It's your truck,, and you already have a bad taste about it,, so why not put no name parts in it so you can be even more pissed at ford. I mean it's the trucks fault,,, right??

 

The simple fact that they claim you are bolting in 70 ponies just by using these injectors would make me want to raise the BS flag here.
I will also add, if you read the review of the poster "Kim" on the DPP add, the guy is claiming 29 mpg highway. Sorry, but this reeks of someone stacking the reviews to pump a product. I have never heard of a 6.0 getting those figures. Lower 20's yes, but almost 30?

 

You can get that MPG is you screw up the calculations for the MPG. Like forgetting a fill-up or
by riding on the back of a flatbed because your so awesome injectors took a dump and you needed a tow.

How much do you want to bet that they reuse the internal O-rings. I have not been
able to find any kit that has them in it. So if you skip replacing parts and only
clean the injector I guess you can same some $. I know I can clean up an old injector
to make it look nice. Also who was it that got a set from some seller that claimed that
they were so good only to have some crap out and need to be replaced?
I can get new FORD injectors for $202 EACH so you save a whopping $12 WOW.

Do it right or just burn the $ saves time.

I hear-by step off my soap box.



Sean <BR>

6.0L Tech Folder

 

I'm not pissed at Ford. Never claimed that I am or ever was. I am more pissed at the fact that I sold my 7.3 to get a newer truck that was claimed to have a solid service history, to find out that I need to replace part after part. In essence, I'm pissed at my foul luck more so then the truck.

Also, I would like to note that everything I've replaced thus far, has been a Motorcraft or "best in choice" selection. And, as such, I've spent thousands on the truck already.

Finally, I would like to note that I understood what Sean was stating when comparing a remanufactured part to a rebuilt one. I wasn't claiming him to be wrong or anything, just that I knew the difference.


See, that's more in-tune with what I was asking for. I felt the reviews were a bit fishy, hence why I come to FTE to see if there's any validity to them. Being that I've not owned a 6.0 for more then a year yet, I'd easily classify myself "new" to the platform. I also don't like to ask questions if I can find the answer myself through fastidious research. Since I found little info. on these, I figured it warranted a simple request.


I appreciate you taking the time to give a more technical response. I've never rebuilt a 6.0 injector (nor would I, since I do not think its something I should invest time in). Since interior components would be hard to investigate when the injector is cleaned and in new packaging, I can understand that there is a serious risk when purchasing budget priced injectors.


I guess some more time in researching injector choices is necessary. I'm just not keen on dumping more thousands into something that could fail like the current injectors have. Without question I'll be replacing the HPOP fitting (even though I don't know if it has been replaced or not), as well as the IPR screen, stand pipes, dummy plugs, and glow plugs (since the VC will be off).

 

This sounds like a happy camper. Notorious problems with a flawed design,, all the issues are one time fix issues. But go playing in uncharted water,, by using unproven parts and they are no longer one time fixes.

So jump at me if you want,,, my truck runs GREAT!!! Lol

 

I didn't jump at you, but if you want to be defensive... that's on you man. You can read into my post however you feel.

 

Point blank. Aftermarket injectors have been the culprit for many engine rebuilds. I take that stuff SERIOUS!!! Cause it isn't no freakin joke!!!! They might be good injectors,, but gambling isn't my wheelhouse.

 

I hear you man. I wasn't trying to make this into a pissing match.

That being said, I've been looking at various OEM distributors... and thus far, I'm a bit bewildered with my findings. Do you have a go-to site for OEM injectors, or is it something you prefer purchasing from a local Ford dealer?

 

Did a little Google searching tonight and found this over at the ORG

70 hp injectors what cc roughly - Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum

It looks to be a larger nozzle on the injectors. That can give you black smoke
if you don;t run a tune to adjust for the change.

For a good price on injectors that are Ford units give Ed a call over at
FICMRepair.com - FORD Powerstroke 6.0 FICM Repair, PHP Tuning and Truck Parts
Real Ford parts at a good price.


Sean <BR>

6.0L Tech Folder