My brother got a new SD F-250 with a V-10, auto and 3;73 gears about 2 months ago. He has had all Fords for the last 15 years except the 2000 chev HD 2500. He has hated the V-10 since the beginning and I thought he wasn't giving it a fair shot until I got to drive it the other day. Although I really like the ergonomics of the truck it really is a pig. I don't think it could spin a tire on ice. The 2000 chev 6.0 vortec makes that V-10 look like it's tied to a tree. And this is even worse when you hook a trailer on. MIleage is ok on the open highway running empty at around 14 but drops to about 7 when we haul the bobcat, compared to the chev at 15 highway and about 11 towing the same load.
Did we just get a bad one or what? The old 89 460 with 320,000 miles on it will run and hide from the V-10.
Is anyone aware of service bullitens or factory info related to a sick SD V-10?
Although I am a Ford man when it comes to trucks they are just another tool when we are on the job, so I will appreciate any intelligent info on the subject. Blind loyalists defending their mark need not attack.

 

Was his truck born between 3/3/03 and 4/22/03? If so, you should see the thread here: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...hreadid=141508

It really sucks when attention to detail is lost... even I, who was raised on Ford, grimace as I read of quality deterioration on many trucks in the Ford line... My father's growing list of problems with his 2004 Expedition EB has turned him off of Fords; he vows he will never buy Ford again. What a shame...

The bottom line is that the V-10 should not behave this badly as far as get-up-and-go is concerned. Mileage reports may be consistent with what I've heard (though 7 MPG with just a bobcat sounds somewhat low), but the truck should have more "oomph". Have the dealer give it a “once-over” since you said it is a new truck, still under warrantee. Most dealers in my area provide a free loaner (a POS small car, but at least it's wheels) when your truck is in the shop of the dealership where you bought it.

Better yet, wait for some suggestions/comments from the guys here who are considerably more knowledged than I. Then your brother can approach the service shop armed with some good info.

Good luck to you & your brother.

 

Willowbilly;

Check your build date, like haroutd said. My V10 performs better than advertised.

I just hauled a 3000lb. camper and a 2200lb. boat around for two weeks and averaged 10.4mpg (imp) at an average speed of 57mph. I even managed to pass some of the competition climbing 8% grades.

I'm extremely happy with mine.

Rick

 

We have 4 2500HD chevy with six liters at the company I work and not one of those get any better then 11 mpg. As far as power the v10 is not a v8 it is not a racer. And rember chevy you can only get 4.10's with a 6.0 liter. It is a puller not a racer. And depending on the configuration the super duty has alot more mass too move around.

 

Mine gets up and goes when i hook my boat it a big boat dont even know it back there at all.

 

The chev and the SD are both heavy duty 3/4 ton with automatic and 3:73 gears. The only difference is the chev is an 8 ft bed quad cab and the Ford id a full crew cab with the short bed so it might be a couple hundred pounds heavier. I realize its not a hot rod but it doesn't do anything better than the chev. By the way the bobcat is pretty heavy. It is around 9000-10,000 trailer and all. What kind of mileage your chevys get may not be an accurate comparison, this comparison is both trucks getting used the same by the same driver.
The sad part is my brother doesn't like to mess around taking things back to the dealer, he is a contractor and very busy. As soon as this truck hits 20,000 it's gone. He tried to get rid of it but they told him he may as well put on the 20,000 because he would still get the same price trading. He won't buy another Ford most likely. The 97 powerstroke I drive was his when it was new and although it has been a pretty good truck he doesn't feel the added maintainence and repairs justify owning a diesel
I didn't start this thread to get you SD owners all riled up and defensive, I was hoping someone may know of a TSB addressing the problem or maybe some light shed. If we could find a problem I might avert having another chevy around that would get passed down to me.

 

Don't think any of us are getting riled and defensive, just want to give you some positive feedback. Did you check the link? You guys paid a bucket full of money for the SD, and you should be happy!

Hate to see you with another "bow-tie" hand-me-down.

Good luck,

Rick

Edit; If your truck doesn't fall within the listed dates, take it in anyway. It's always possible Ford's missed something else

 

Who's getting riled up & defensive? We're just trying to give you some helpful feedback. As far as your question on the TSB, CHECK THE LINK I PROVIDED ABOVE. Like Karic said, even if it doesn't match the build date, there is something wrong there. The truck should go back to the dealer. He's paying enough -- he deserves a properly functional truck.

 

I would think it would be pretty easy to find a V10 on a lot and "test drive" it, while your brother tags along in his V10. Then, do an acceleration test. If his gets dusted, there is your answer...he got a dog. If they run even, (rear difs being equal) then he got what everybodys got. I do know my buddies 6.0 Chvy doesn't have the pulling guts mine has

 

I CAN TELL YOU THIS,I have had my V10 auto, 4.30 , for two years and I pull my 6,000 lb travel trailer @ 75 & 80 mph to the Smokey Mountains from Fl, and I get 10 - 11.5 mpg, and it will pull off and leave just about anything on the road. I love it, and I will never own anything but THE V10 Ford.

 

I didn't say anyone was getting defensive, I just ask you not to. I did mention the problem with this truck a month or so ago and I just got a bunch of irate SD owners defending their mark. I never got much constuctive feedback. I was hoping to avert people with that mentality, that's all.
Also I had not driven the pickup yet then to see how pathetic it really was. If I had bought this truck I would be camped out at the Ford store. My bother is a different story. He is busy running this business and doesn't hardly have time for the things that need done let alone be bothered trying to deal with this issue. He puts in 12-14 hours a day preparing bids, keeping 2 or 3 crews going and hustling work. So for now we use the chevy or the Powerstroke to pull the trailer. He will park his new truck and take the chev with 100.000 miles on it when he has to tow.
I would personally put on a Kand N filter, flowmaster duals and maybe a different chip if one is available and try to get it breathing a little better, but he isn't into that sort of thing. You just buy it and it works or it doesn't, and if it doesn't you try something different next time.

 

In your first post you said you drove the truck and it was a "pig" etc. In your last post, you said you hadn't driven the truck yet to see how pathetic it was. (?)

Anyway, it's quite obvious something is wrong, isn't it? How many posts have you read where people complain about a lack of power from the V10? My guess is not many. Gas mileage shouldn't even be an issue. You have a 10 cylinder engine, with a 6000 lb truck, pulling another 10,000 lbs and you ask about gas mileage? My mileage isn't that great towing or not. Maybe I should say, not as good as my older F150 4.6 but then, I don't really expect it to be. I do know though, that as far as power goes, there is enough. It would spin the tires on ice, because it will smoke them down the street if I want it to.

I don't know what kind of answer you are looking for here. You ask if there is a TSB for a "sick" V10. I don't think so.... nope, I am sure. There is no TSB related to a sick V10. What difference does it make anyway? Your brother doesn't have the time to take it into the shop, you said so several times. However, good luck on finding whatever it is you are really looking for.

 

See, This is what I mean. I get people that want to tell me what is wrong with me. not the truck. I already have a wife to do that.
When I said I hadn't driven the truck yet I was very clear on the fact that was an earlier thread over a momth ago. What is so hard to understand about that?
Gas mieage isn't the main issue, it was a comparison to another truck.
And maybe if I had something solid like a TSB, I could convince him to get it looked at. Why do you have to find fault? I am just looking for some help even though I may be grasping at straw.
In the older truck forum's people are polite and do everything they can to be helpful but when it comes to the new truck I always seem to get a few that only want to offer emotional based answers that aren't constructive or helpful in any way. Haroutd and Karic thanks for your posative feedback, I will check the build date and pursue that on my own with The local Ford store. I only drove one other V-10 and that was in a rented motor home. It seemed to run ok and got about the same mileage as this pickup while pulling 4 snowmobiles on a trailer. Adios

 

Willowbilly: You say you drove the truck, then say you havent drove it. Which is it, how can we get a feel of whats wrong by heresay? You say your brother disliked the truck from the beginning, maybe no matter what, he just doesnt want it or he would take it to a dealer and have it checked out, he cant be that busy to figure out how to get it there!
Let me help you guys out, you say the truck just sits anyway, be a good brother and take it to the dealer and explain to them if they cant fix it you will be driving a hand me down chevy in the future!! As you can see, none of us have had a problem with our V-10's, they will pull!!
But after 15 years of buying fords,with good luck, he doesnt like this one, so no more fords!! All this without finding out if there is a problem with his present truck.
Just a "tool" you say, any good business man will take good care of his tools and when they break or do not perform to his/hers satisfaction,they then take them to the place of purchase and get the problem resolved! You dont throw them in the trash and stomp off to another manufacture hoping for better luck. Thats bad business!!
Lets hope he doesnt take a dislike to you or you have a bad day,get sick,ect. You are just a "tool" and will be thrown under the bus!!

Now grab this truck and get it checked out, it might get a star by your name in office!!
Lenny

I must have been typing when you were!! Now you say it is a comparison of the two trucks ( that forum has been closed, but you know all about that)
You have a short memory son, one month ago, you were bad mouthing the chevy and praising the ford in another forum!!
Hmmm,makes me wonder if their is a problem or if someone just needs some attention??

 

No, I don't see what you mean. I offered an answer based on common sence. No one said that fuel mileage was the main point. You have apparently posted hundereds of times to these forums, 437 times to be exact. Which would indicate that you have done a lot of reading and research. It just seems odd that someone that does that amount of reading wouldn't know if there was a TSB posted regarding a "sick" V10 engine.

It is one thing to post a question that by all indications, you already know the answer to and to also make contridicting statements, then complain because someone didn't read a post of yours months ago. It is quite another thing to try and dictate the way you are answered. If you don't like the answers, don't ask the questions.

I agree with streetcruzer. If any of this is true and after 15 years your brother had one bad experience, seems logical that he would go back to the dealer with his particular issues. He did test drive the truck before he bought it didn't he? If it performed poorly, then why did he buy it? If it started to perform poorly later, wouldn't that be obvious that it needed to go in for a problem? As I stated before, good luck to you with your..problem.