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Old Jan 19, 2016 | 09:05 AM
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my next step then would be either taking off the heads or glow plugs to check compression would that be correct?
 
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Old Jan 19, 2016 | 09:21 AM
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I think your jumping the gun pulling the heads,you need someone that knows the 6.0 to look at the truck. We need all the numbers to help diagnose this problem,and as to the fuel pressure, that just doesn't sound right.How was it taken,with a mechanical gauge at the port,because that is the only way to tell.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2016 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Per4mance
I think your jumping the gun pulling the heads,you need someone that knows the 6.0 to look at the truck. We need all the numbers to help diagnose this problem,and as to the fuel pressure, that just doesn't sound right.How was it taken,with a mechanical gauge at the port,because that is the only way to tell.

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Don't go pulling the heads! No point in taking them off, and not to sound like Captain Obvious here but the heads need to be ON to check compression, it's done at the glow plug hole.

Your first post speaks volumes...........when your mechanic just assumes you need a new engine, he really does NOT know the 6.0
You need something to read data live, even if it's not starting, or there is little the forum can do as far as diagnosis is concerned.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2016 | 09:30 AM
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The truck will run with fuel pressure over 100... that isn't the issue just yet. Fuel pressure is taken with a gauge and a gauge only.

Check compression thru the glow plug hole, get the heads off and find that wasn't the issue, your out $3000. Don't know about you, but I'd be pissed!

I'd be leery of your mechanic.... let's ask some good questions of him and then respond accordingly... unless your loaded with more money than brains?
 
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Old Jan 19, 2016 | 11:52 AM
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well the good lord didn't bless me with an abundance of either. thanks to you guys the mech. discussed this with his friend a certified ford mech. and he will be checking the compression . the numbers i have so far are fuel pressure[with a guage]at 90, oil pressure 580,ficm at 48. im sorry i dont know what else to measure but i can find out if you let me know. thanks
 
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Old Jan 19, 2016 | 11:58 AM
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good starts for those numbers... lets keep as many $$$ in your pocket as possible.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2016 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by fatherof7
well the good lord didn't bless me with an abundance of either. thanks to you guys the mech. discussed this with his friend a certified ford mech. and he will be checking the compression . the numbers i have so far are fuel pressure[with a guage]at 90, oil pressure 580,ficm at 48. im sorry i dont know what else to measure but i can find out if you let me know. thanks
That's good, means you have enough oil pressure to light the fire, this is measured by the ICP sensor, reads in PSI. It takes 500 psi on a 6.0 just to start.

Next, find out what the IPR is reading, this will be a % figure, while it's cranking. Also, is the FICM in sync, ask him that as well.........during cranking. Same thing for cam/crank sync.
Any mechanic versed in the 6.0 will recognize 6.0 "speak"
 
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Old Jan 19, 2016 | 01:00 PM
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thank you i will find these out and hopefully compression this week
 
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Old Jan 19, 2016 | 01:32 PM
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Are you sure that's measured ICP and not desired?
What is the ICP voltage?
 
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Old Jan 19, 2016 | 02:45 PM
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it is measured icp dont know the voltage but will find out
 
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Old Jan 19, 2016 | 03:28 PM
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Are you sure that's measured ICP and not desired?
What is the ICP voltage?
Excellent point, if the ICP is unplugged or not connected properly, that number means nothing really. Good catch.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2016 | 06:00 PM
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Icp is what the pressure sensor sees, the IPR is the regulator comanded position.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2016 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by bobv60
Icp is what the pressure sensor sees, the IPR is the regulator comanded position.
ICPV is what the sensor sees, it's reported in volts. ICP_DES is what the computer is trying to command, and is reported in psi. They're two separate PIDs in the PC-ED manual.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2016 | 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by texastech_diesel
ICPV is what the sensor sees, it's reported in volts. ICP_DES is what the computer is trying to command, and is reported in psi. They're two separate PIDs in the PC-ED manual.
I am referring the PIDs that most people look at. Pressure (ICP) and the regulator command position read as a % on most of the common scanners used by the people here. I don't know why you would look at commanded ICP pressure unless you had a problem with actual ICP pressure.

To the OP. If your mechanic cant tell if you have no compression just by the way it cranks over he/she really doesn't know what they are doing. Sorry, don't want to hurt feelings but that is a fact . They are like 99.999 % of the "mechanics" today, just parts changers. From first post, " It doesn't start, must need new engine" Part changer PRO!
 
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Old Jan 20, 2016 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bobv60
I don't know why you would look at commanded ICP pressure unless you had a problem with actual ICP pressure.
ICP reported in PSI that most people look at on most gauges IS ICP_DES.
 
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