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Old Jan 15, 2016 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by microbc
You came here asking for help and then refuse to accept what the people in the know are telling you.

What you asked would be like calling your doctor and telling him you were sick and expecting him to cure you over the phone.

Certain things require certain items to effectively operate them.

For the 6.0, some method of monitoring them is almost a requirement.

Lets say that you had a minor issue that would have been discovered via monitoring and since it wasn't discovered early it now becomes a major repair.

For very little money a monitor could save you thousands in repairs down the road.

If you have a smartphone you can monitor your 6.0 for under $50 bucks or if you can spare around $175.00 you could have a ScanguageII permanently monitoring your engine to avoid future costly repairs.

The cost of solving many issues on this motor via trial and error will certainly cost more than investing in a simple scanner.

Also, the ScanguageII adds additional trip monitors, fuel mileage tracking and a code reader so even if your truck isn't your hobby it will prove useful in a variety of ways.

I'm not trying to start an argument just trying to bring some perspective to the idea that monitoring of the 6.0 is important.

Maybe you should read my first post.
I asked if there were things that could be checked without a scanner like there is on the 7.3.


I didn't ask to be lectured about using starting fluid , I didn't ask to buy a scanner.


I asked a basic question that a yes or no would have answered.


A permanent Scanguage is not a option I have more than 1 truck.


A couple posters did answer me , if I had a scanner or had any use for a scanner I would not have asked the question right?


Ive fixed my 7.3 several times without a scanner using ideas I got here.


That's all I asked , was there anything I could check.........................
 
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Old Jan 15, 2016 | 08:52 PM
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Thanks for the help Ill get it figured out, its just nice to get some general ideas.
It started right up this afternoon so its a hot/cold start issue.


Originally Posted by mhoefer
I think you also need to check your fuel pump is pumping properly, just listen down on the frame rail below the fuel filler door with key on. We also need your battery voltage and what the FICm is seeing, what multiplied voltage is, to know if FICM is working. The other wpquick check is to see if you have low pressure oil, Does the dash gauge come up on a long crank for low oil pressure?

How good is fuel level, does it have more than a quarter tank, the siphon can be off the stand pipe in the tank and require a repair, put atleast a half tank of diesel with jerry cans and make sure top you treat it for antigel and cutaneous boost. Ford PM 24 cetane booster probably best and use a double diesel for tank size.

The guys are trying to help, I would definitely put a charger on the batteries over night and give it another try. Consider cleaning battery posts, ground cables ect, to make sure your getting sufficient cranking speed.

This is not an old direct injection diesel tractor it has 8 glow plugs. Ether is dangerous in this case because the ether has to go through all the inter cooler and piping and turbo BEFORE it gets into the engine.

Report back and I will see if I can help I am 4 hour drive away but I know your town and might be able to help with some further steps. Though it's likely a cod reader is going to be the next thing to point you in I the right direction. Your local Ford dealer might have a good chance that can come look see for cheaper than the towing, talk to him nice, maybe he can bring the reader by after work.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2016 | 09:39 PM
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A scanner is the only way to know whats going on with a 6.0 nothing like a 7.3 that we knew the most common flaws. But your problem is definitely an hpo leak, common leaks are:
.Stuck ipr or internal leak
.Dummy plugs
.SCT Fitting
.Oil rail nipple O rings
>>>.Injector top O ring(where the oil rail .nipple goes into) this one was the most common in our fleet the rest I never experienced but read where they were a problem. Check this one 6 of our 6.0 suffered from this, make sure you get alliant only O ring Kit.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2016 | 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by z31freakify
A scanner is the only way to know whats going on with a 6.0 nothing like a 7.3 that we knew the most common flaws. But your problem is definitely an hpo leak, common leaks are:
.Stuck ipr or internal leak
.Dummy plugs
.SCT Fitting
.Oil rail nipple O rings
>>>.Injector top O ring(where the oil rail .nipple goes into) this one was the most common in our fleet the rest I never experienced but read where they were a problem. Check this one 6 of our 6.0 suffered from this, make sure you get alliant only O ring Kit.










I did the SCT a few thousand kms ago. I suppose it could go again.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2016 | 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Vinford
I did the SCT a few thousand kms ago. I suppose it could go again.
Check my post with the >>> the injector top O ring was the most common place for hpo leaks.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2016 | 11:08 PM
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It's not likely the STC if you had it replaced. Since its a 06 the HPOP is likely good. The 04 were a common failure but upgraded in 05. Like mentioned above, IF a oil leak is the problem, it could be the upper injector injector rings, nipple cups, standpipes, or dummy plugs. If you've had all those replaced as well, you really need to get something to monitor vitals or you can throw parts at it all day long and still not narrow it down. these guys giving advice know this engine well. You can take it or not but there's no need in getting upset or smart with them. They're trying to help you. Hope you get it figured out.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2016 | 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by timmytoes
It's not likely the STC if you had it replaced. Since its a 06 the HPOP is likely good. The 04 were a common failure but upgraded in 05. Like mentioned above, IF a oil leak is the problem, it could be the upper injector injector rings, nipple cups, standpipes, or dummy plugs. If you've had all those replaced as well, you really need to get something to monitor vitals or you can throw parts at it all day long and still not narrow it down. these guys giving advice know this engine well. You can take it or not but there's no need in getting upset or smart with them. They're trying to help you. Hope you get it figured out.

What do you consider upset or smart? How about frustrated because one real bad habit a lot of these guys have is answering what they feel like not what was asked.
If you feel Ive been smart or rude to anyone maybe you could point it out?
 
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Old Jan 15, 2016 | 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Vinford
Ive used starting fluid on different things for 30 years without blowing anything up so Ill take my chances but thanks.


I had a 96 that I used to give it a sniff every morning or it wouldn't start.
It started all day after that but it needed it every morning.


I owned a International tractor that had a factory built in place to put a can of starting fluid and a handle inside the cab to give it ether.


Used right it has its place.
good luck with that. a 6.0 isn't your grammy's diesel.
there are some things that you can do to a "normal"
diesel, that won't turn out well on a 6.0.
 
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Old Jan 16, 2016 | 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Vinford
Maybe you should read my first post.
I asked if there were things that could be checked without a scanner like there is on the 7.3.


I didn't ask to be lectured about using starting fluid , I didn't ask to buy a scanner.


I asked a basic question that a yes or no would have answered.


A permanent Scanguage is not a option I have more than 1 truck.


A couple posters did answer me , if I had a scanner or had any use for a scanner I would not have asked the question right?


Ive fixed my 7.3 several times without a scanner using ideas I got here.


That's all I asked , was there anything I could check.........................
no, there really isn't much of anything you can do with a 6.0
without a scanner.

if you are unwilling to invest in a scanner as it's not necessary in
your opinion, then have at it. that'll be the most expensive $100
you ever saved.

the attitude you seem to be infused with doesn't work well
with a 6.0
 
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Old Jan 16, 2016 | 11:03 AM
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It started cold, oil and coolant? Only -2 yesterday here in PG, what was the outdoor temp there, doesn't seem that cold to be having troubles.
 
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Old Jan 16, 2016 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Vinford
What do you consider upset or smart? How about frustrated because one real bad habit a lot of these guys have is answering what they feel like not what was asked.
If you feel Ive been smart or rude to anyone maybe you could point it out?
Ok, I quoted them below.
Originally Posted by Vinford
Probably a good idea to have a scanner , however I'm a fence contractor not a mechanic and my truck isn't my hobby.


I doubt if everyone has a post hole auger in case they need to change a post?
^^This one doesn't sound too bad, but it shows that you don't understand how important it is to have the ability to monitor your truck's information and how it can help diagnose issues.

Originally Posted by Vinford
Ive used starting fluid on different things for 30 years without blowing anything up so Ill take my chances but thanks.


I had a 96 that I used to give it a sniff every morning or it wouldn't start.
It started all day after that but it needed it every morning.


I owned a International tractor that had a factory built in place to put a can of starting fluid and a handle inside the cab to give it ether.


Used right it has its place.
Posters are telling you it isn't good for the 6.0. A more appropriate response would have been, "Why is the 6.0 different from my experience above?"

Originally Posted by Vinford
Thanks again but my question was whether or not there were things you could check without a scanner as I don't have one and a wrecker costs $175 to tow it to the nearest place it can be scanned.
At least you said thanks. If you have an Android phone, an OBDII adapter is around $25 and the app is $5. The scangaugeII is for monitoring values just like the Torque app. It's more expensive, but some guys like it better and it's been around longer. None of these are permanently installed and are not a replacement for a dealership scan tool. Good luck, I hope you get it figured out.
 
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Old Jan 16, 2016 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Vinford
What do you consider upset or smart? How about frustrated because one real bad habit a lot of these guys have is answering what they feel like not what was asked.
If you feel Ive been smart or rude to anyone maybe you could point it out?
My bad then. Good luck with your truck.
 
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Old Jan 17, 2016 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Vinford
Maybe you should read my first post.
I asked if there were things that could be checked without a scanner like there is on the 7.3.


I didn't ask to be lectured about using starting fluid , I didn't ask to buy a scanner.


I asked a basic question that a yes or no would have answered.


A permanent Scanguage is not a option I have more than 1 truck.


A couple posters did answer me , if I had a scanner or had any use for a scanner I would not have asked the question right?


Ive fixed my 7.3 several times without a scanner using ideas I got here.


That's all I asked , was there anything I could check.........................
Following your original request for a yes or no answer, my response is....... No.

My apologies for attempting to provide some insight that you might have found useful. Good luck with your ongoing diagnosis.

FYI a monitoring tool, ScangaugeII or Torque Pro can be used in any vehicle with an OBDII port making it a very useful tool even if vehicles are not your hobby
 
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