Edge Evolution CTS2
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Edge Evolution CTS2
I'm sure this has been beaten to death here, but I looked and I couldn't find it. I like this for the all-in-one tuner and systems monitoring capability. I don't do a lot of heavy towing and I don't need a crazy race tune. Will this unit accept custom tunes? I'd appreciate thoughts from anyone who has one. My truck is an '04 F350 6.0, all stock except a 4" MBRP and the blue spring upgrade. Thanks!
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I don't think anyone writes custom tunes for edge. Sct is the way to go. The Sct 5015 does what you want and you can easily get custom tunes from the tuner of your choice. There should be all the info you need in the link shop around a little and you should be able to find a better price infact the code diesel10 may still work and get you 10% off in the link. Gearhead writes tunes for non studded trucks I think innovative does as well both very good 6.0 tuners
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Token Redneck
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From: Breckenridge, TX
The "Edge is hard on trans" line comes from the old old Juice with Attitude chip, which was a shift-on-the-fly tuner, which was incapable of adjusting the trans tune as it interrupted PCM signals.
Starting with the Evolution platform, the PCM and trans tuning was apparently written for Edge by Bill Cohron, who also runs Power Hungry Performance. These were not on the fly adjsutable, and isn't any harder on the trans than any canned tuner. The Evo also lets you adjust shift pressures, just like an SCT.
PHP used to sell custom tunes on the Edge platform under the "Gryphon" label, but has since stopped. You could always call Bill and ask his opinion of the Evo CTS 2, since he sells it:
Edge CTS2 Diesel Programmer - Power Hungry Performance
So no, it won't do "custom tuning", but it's probably just as good as an SCT if you're planning on staying with canned tunes. PHP does do custom SCT tunes PCM tunes, and is the originator of the FICM tunes Ed sells.
Starting with the Evolution platform, the PCM and trans tuning was apparently written for Edge by Bill Cohron, who also runs Power Hungry Performance. These were not on the fly adjsutable, and isn't any harder on the trans than any canned tuner. The Evo also lets you adjust shift pressures, just like an SCT.
PHP used to sell custom tunes on the Edge platform under the "Gryphon" label, but has since stopped. You could always call Bill and ask his opinion of the Evo CTS 2, since he sells it:
Edge CTS2 Diesel Programmer - Power Hungry Performance
So no, it won't do "custom tuning", but it's probably just as good as an SCT if you're planning on staying with canned tunes. PHP does do custom SCT tunes PCM tunes, and is the originator of the FICM tunes Ed sells.
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From: Frederick MD
I know from what's on my truck and its a juice with attitude cts. I got if free for a insight cts swap. If you put it into level 5 which I did once and only once, The trans hit so hard I figured it did damage the shifts where crazy and not in anyway near where they should be. I leave it on stock now and use it just for gauges. It would be great to get custom tunes for these again
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For the last nearly 5 years my Truck has been running an Edge Tuner.
First I had the CS then upgraded to the CTS
I have nothing bad to say about Edge, plus their customer service is excellent
As stated the Shift-Points are user adjustable, the Tunes are practically "smoke free" and besides the fact so many people say "never run a Tuner w/OE Head-Bolts on the dreaded 6.0" and even though I have lot's of A/M power adders, plus pull a 5th-Wheel......Guess what?
Head's have NEVER been off my Truck (OE TTY's still in place)
First I had the CS then upgraded to the CTS
I have nothing bad to say about Edge, plus their customer service is excellent
As stated the Shift-Points are user adjustable, the Tunes are practically "smoke free" and besides the fact so many people say "never run a Tuner w/OE Head-Bolts on the dreaded 6.0" and even though I have lot's of A/M power adders, plus pull a 5th-Wheel......Guess what?
Head's have NEVER been off my Truck (OE TTY's still in place)
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Token Redneck
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From: Breckenridge, TX
I know from what's on my truck and its a juice with attitude cts. I got if free for a insight cts swap. If you put it into level 5 which I did once and only once, The trans hit so hard I figured it did damage the shifts where crazy and not in anyway near where they should be. I leave it on stock now and use it just for gauges. It would be great to get custom tunes for these again
The Evo is on the 3rd generation with the CTS2. The Juice with Attitude stopped at 2nd Gen CTS, and isn't being sold new anymore, at least not direct from Edge.
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From: Frederick MD
[quote=texastech_diesel]Right, so even with the CTS gauge face up top there is still a physical chip module that you have to plug in to more places than the OBDII port. An Evolution is a PCM programer only that goes through the OBDII port only.
The Evo is on the 3rd generation with the CTS2. The Juice with Attitude stopped at 2nd Gen CTS, and isn't being sold new anymore, at least not direct from Edge.[/quote
ahh ok I never payed attention to the difference.
The Evo is on the 3rd generation with the CTS2. The Juice with Attitude stopped at 2nd Gen CTS, and isn't being sold new anymore, at least not direct from Edge.[/quote
ahh ok I never payed attention to the difference.
Fleet Mechanic
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From: Shasta County, CA
Just found this thread tonight. Running a "Box Stock" 2006 6.0L F250 and not really looking at using the tunes, so was debating between the Insight and the Evolution. Has anyone used the Evo CA edition? Just wondering how it works with CA CARB requirements.
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I've been looking at getting a CS2 since it is all that I can afford, well I can't really, but to help keep an eye on things and see if the eco tune gets me a little better mileage. I read that the PCM has to be stock. I have a tune to handle the 4" exhaust without throwing a code (came this way), and Edge told me that I would have to flash it to factory to get it to load and they don't make tunes for anything other that OE setups. I'm sure they're great and people love them, but I can't run one. Who in the market for a tuner doesn't have a cold air or bigger exhaust? Just putting that out there in case someone else ever had this question.
Token Redneck
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There's nothing about a 4" exhaust that would throw a code. There is literally not one single sensor past the turbo for the PCM to even know what is or isn't there.
Are you confusing an EGR delete with a larger exhaust?
Are you confusing an EGR delete with a larger exhaust?
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Did you ever get this tuner? Im about to pickup the Edge CTS2 Insight Model 85401 CA edition for my 6.0 Truck. I currently have the Insight Monitor but want to add tunes. I was thinking of going with the SCT x4 but don't want to deal with Smog and worrying about if it will pass. If you did get the Edge, any issues and how did you like it?