Bellhousing help.
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Bellhousing help.
Hey all, im putting together a 390 based FE and toploader combo together for my '65 F100.
Engine is a 445 stroker with parts from Survival.
Trans is a Toploader with the tag HEH CC which denotes to '65-'66 Galaxie from my research. HOWEVER...this trans has the shorter 1-3/8 input shaft. I would assume it was converted at a later date.
My issue is what bellhousing to use. I have a bunch of c5ta 7505b bellhousings laying around, and an Ansen unit with RA AFR 5010-t stamped on it.
Will any of these work, or am I still on the hunt?
Ive really hit a dead end here and any help is appreciated.
Thanks guys.
Engine is a 445 stroker with parts from Survival.
Trans is a Toploader with the tag HEH CC which denotes to '65-'66 Galaxie from my research. HOWEVER...this trans has the shorter 1-3/8 input shaft. I would assume it was converted at a later date.
My issue is what bellhousing to use. I have a bunch of c5ta 7505b bellhousings laying around, and an Ansen unit with RA AFR 5010-t stamped on it.
Will any of these work, or am I still on the hunt?
Ive really hit a dead end here and any help is appreciated.
Thanks guys.
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My second thought is modifying the transmission back to a 1-1/16 shaft.
I have a 3.03 trans sitting, and Im really tempted to find out if i can rob the input shaft off it for this toploader. The 3.03 was the original transmission for the truck, and i have all the supporting pieces for it (clutches bellhousings etc)
Thoughts?
I have a 3.03 trans sitting, and Im really tempted to find out if i can rob the input shaft off it for this toploader. The 3.03 was the original transmission for the truck, and i have all the supporting pieces for it (clutches bellhousings etc)
Thoughts?
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Bro, my understanding the bell mates a tranny to an engine while encompassing a flywheel & clutch. One side has to fit to the engine while the other to the tranny. The tranny input is directly behind the engine crank and is turned by the pressure plate.
I have never tried what you are, but you should be able to fit the bell to the tranny and work it from there. IMHO
John
I have never tried what you are, but you should be able to fit the bell to the tranny and work it from there. IMHO
John
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I really doubt that the input shafts can be swapped between the 3.03 and the top loader 4 speed. If the input shaft on the 4 speed is shorter then the 3.03 you can probably use a passenger car bell housing..
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Bro, my understanding the bell mates a tranny to an engine while encompassing a flywheel & clutch. One side has to fit to the engine while the other to the tranny. The tranny input is directly behind the engine crank and is turned by the pressure plate.
I have never tried what you are, but you should be able to fit the bell to the tranny and work it from there. IMHO
John
I have never tried what you are, but you should be able to fit the bell to the tranny and work it from there. IMHO
John
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My issue in thisbis finding one.
It turns out I have about 2/3 engagement on the clutch spline when everything is seated.
Do i live with it, or find a way to close the gap? Maybe build a small spacer for the flywheel?
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You have more then a 2/3 spine engagement problem more then likely. Using the truck bell housing with the shorter trans input also means it isn't reaching the pilot bushing in the crank end..
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If you have a passenger car trans, should you not use passenger car bell?
And if they are getting to be rare & expensive, then that gives you an excuse to order up a Lakewood, McLeod, Quicktimes, etc scattershield, which will solve the issue with the input, and will allow you to keep your feet should you have the misfortune of "grenading" a clutch.........
And if they are getting to be rare & expensive, then that gives you an excuse to order up a Lakewood, McLeod, Quicktimes, etc scattershield, which will solve the issue with the input, and will allow you to keep your feet should you have the misfortune of "grenading" a clutch.........
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The FE passenger car bell housings are getting hard to find, I've been holding on to one for years just for that reason.
You have more then a 2/3 spine engagement problem more then likely. Using the truck bell housing with the shorter trans input also means it isn't reaching the pilot bushing in the crank end..
You have more then a 2/3 spine engagement problem more then likely. Using the truck bell housing with the shorter trans input also means it isn't reaching the pilot bushing in the crank end..
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If you have a passenger car trans, should you not use passenger car bell?
And if they are getting to be rare & expensive, then that gives you an excuse to order up a Lakewood, McLeod, Quicktimes, etc scattershield, which will solve the issue with the input, and will allow you to keep your feet should you have the misfortune of "grenading" a clutch.........
And if they are getting to be rare & expensive, then that gives you an excuse to order up a Lakewood, McLeod, Quicktimes, etc scattershield, which will solve the issue with the input, and will allow you to keep your feet should you have the misfortune of "grenading" a clutch.........
Im scared to drop that dough on a bellhousing that doesnt fix my problem.
Maybe someone smarter than i can point me in the right direction?
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I would expect that all the Mfgr's would have Tech Lines, and so do many of the bigger speed parts vendors, a phone call or email should get things cleared up with a higher degree of certainty than listening to all us internet experts
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Good point. I'm not sure what size clutch discs are available for the large input shaft trans, so this may require a different pressure plate and flywheel also?
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I found a clutch fork that will work.
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I want to clarify with everyone speculating. While I appreciate yhe concerns and ideas, I have everything to make this combo work, other than the fact i dont have full spline engagement. I mated the engine and trans last night to find any other possible issues, and so far its just the engagement.