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Old Dec 17, 2015 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ArdWrknTrk
460 in trucks ended in '79, resumed (with the option for manual) in 1983....
Jim - What is your definition of "truck"? Ford seems to include the vans in the definition, which would then mean the 460 carried over w/o pause. But if your definition is "pickup" then there was a pause. Right?
 
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Old Dec 17, 2015 | 11:12 AM
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Did vans use the front sump oil pan at that time?

The trucks & FSB's needed rear sump because of the new style crossmember.
The 335 ' s were brought in as a stopgap because L/M were using most of Lima's output.
 
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Old Dec 17, 2015 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ArdWrknTrk
Did vans use the front sump oil pan at that time?

The trucks & FSB's needed rear sump because of the new style crossmember.
The 335 ' s were brought in as a stopgap because L/M were using most of Lima's output.
Dunno on the question. And, didn't know the why on the 335's being used. I thought it was because they were tired of the 2wd trucks getting stuck on wet grass.
 
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Old Dec 17, 2015 | 12:28 PM
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I apologize for any headaches I caused in the previous page. I knew there has to be another tube for air to be drawn through the choke stove to heat the air. But how factory my set up looked I didn't think it had it. I just wish I knew for sure if the oem factory components I found would work as I hate to spend close to $60 and the plug wont seal in the choke stove as its been modified for the hex headed plug that was put in.
 
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Old Dec 17, 2015 | 12:34 PM
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If you intend to use copper tubing, why not get a brass plug, drill a hole in it and solder the tubing in place?

If you absolutely need OEM, PM numberdummy and see if he can ferret out the entire setup.
 
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Old Dec 17, 2015 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ArdWrknTrk
If you intend to use copper tubing, why not get a brass plug, drill a hole in it and solder the tubing in place?

If you absolutely need OEM, PM numberdummy and see if he can ferret out the entire setup.
Wouldn't copper tubing be better in this application? Or would steel be the way to go?


I found the plug and the mesh screens. Just didn't get any hits on the pre bent fresh air line and the line to the choke comes back as a part # for bulk tubing.


But that would probably be the best getting a brass plug and solder in it. Just wonder how well it would stand up to the heat of the exhaust manifold.
 
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Old Dec 17, 2015 | 12:46 PM
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I use brass nuts and copper plated screws on high temp exhaust manifolds and really hot turbo apllications all the time.
Antisieze is never going to help with exhaust like that.

The stove isn't directly exposed to exhaust but if you're concerned about the solder melting you can always braze with silver or brass.
 
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Old Dec 17, 2015 | 12:50 PM
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I figured that. I just wanted to ensure that if I have to remove the tubing again I wouldn't have a problem. Might have to do valve cover gaskets again before I get around to building the engine I want for this truck.


I figured I could order copper tubing in the proper size online bulk and just bend it how I need it vs trying to find a steel hardline long enough that I can cut the flares off and bend it.


Might even be smart to get one of those choke stove repair kits and just use the hardline in that as it does come with everything to attach to the choke housing.
 
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Originally Posted by Gary Lewis
Jim - What is your definition of "truck"? Ford seems to include the vans in the definition, which would then mean the 460 carried over w/o pause. But if your definition is "pickup" then there was a pause. Right?
I believe this is a pickup thread, but you are correct. The E-series used rear sump pans as far as I know from the time the "super snoot" was introduced in either 74 or 75. The engine sits over the front suspension crossmember like the pickups, but to lower the hoodline the sump was moved back to allow the engine to sit lower in the frame. The snub nose in 1968 moved the engine to just behind the twin I-beams from the middle where it started out. The early Detroit vans were interesting to say the least with Ford and Chrysler stuffing the engine in a box behind the seats, and Chevrolet putting it in back (Forward Control and Greenbrier). They also built pickup variants, with the Rampside being and extremely useful vehicle.

In 1980 that was how the pickup got a little lower and aerodynamic. As for the 460, a lot of ambulances and RVs are based on the E-series cutaway, hence the need for the 460 in them.
 
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What I read in the factory shop manual suggests none of the 460's in 80 - 86 trucks had hot-air chokes. But, I don't know for sure. Do you?
 
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Gary, that's a good possibility, the 1974 through 1979 460s had the Motorcrap 4300D (would have been a good match for a 400 as it was also a POS as built). The later ones all had Holley 4180s on them.
 
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Old Dec 17, 2015 | 09:05 PM
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Ok, I'll take that as a yes from our resident carb expert. But, if we find out differently I can change the web site.
 
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