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Old Nov 30, 2015 | 08:14 PM
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94 f150 alternator problem

Alternator wasnt charging. Replaced it and it still wouldnt charge. Jumped green wire from alternator connector straight to battery positive and it started charging. Rode like that for a day and now it wont charge.
Is the green wire supposed to see a temporary 12v when started is turning just to excite the alternator? Or is the green wire supposed to be 12v with ignition on?
 
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Old Nov 30, 2015 | 09:01 PM
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It goes through the charge light. Which drops the voltage. My 1995 only shows about 3 volts there. Replace the voltage regulator and check the fuse in that circuit.
 
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I just did an instrument cluster swap right before the alternator trouble. I noticed earlier that the charge light was not illuminated. Could a bad or missing bulb cause it not to charge? Does the regulator require 3v to trigger the alternator on? By jumping straight to 12v i probably damaged the new regulator...?
 
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Old Nov 30, 2015 | 09:29 PM
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Yes it could.
 
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Old Dec 1, 2015 | 07:32 PM
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Im trting to wrap my head around this. With the light out, the alternator cant see voltage from the battery so it wont know when to charge.
If this 12v is required to make the alternator charge, how does the engine continue to run if battery is removed?
 
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Old Dec 1, 2015 | 08:19 PM
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I think there is also a resistor in parallel with the light to cope with a burnt out bulb. Once the system is making voltage it can supply itself. Not recommended to operate an alternator this way but it will work.
 
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Old Dec 1, 2015 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by stevenjf88
If this 12v is required to make the alternator charge, how does the engine continue to run if battery is removed?
I think they just need a tickle to get excited, and then it's self sustaining. The battery is just along for the ride, the alternator handles everything - lights, ignition, etc.
 
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Old Dec 1, 2015 | 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Tedster9
I think they just need a tickle to get excited, and then it's self sustaining. The battery is just along for the ride, the alternator handles everything - lights, ignition, etc.
So back to my original problem. It didnt charge, i replaced alternator and it still didnt charge.i jumped the green wire straight to battery positive and it would charge but only if i left the jumper wire attached. As soon as i removed it, it dropped back to 12v.
Any ideas?
 
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Old Dec 1, 2015 | 08:56 PM
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The exciter voltage is always there with the key in the Start/Run position. Without it the alternator is turned off. This is normal operation.

What year cluster did you put in? Common issue when folks do this.
 
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Old Dec 2, 2015 | 12:34 AM
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I had a grounding issue with my block causing no charge. Don't forget about the ground.
 
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Old Dec 2, 2015 | 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by fordbozo
I had a grounding issue with my block causing no charge. Don't forget about the ground.
If the OP runs a jumper directly from the battery it works. This is not a ground issue. It's a supply problem.
 
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Old Dec 2, 2015 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by rla2005
The exciter voltage is always there with the key in the Start/Run position. Without it the alternator is turned off. This is normal operation.

What year cluster did you put in? Common issue when folks do this.
I put in. 95 i believe because i didnt have a tach. What is the common problem? The battery light?
 
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Old Dec 2, 2015 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by stevenjf88
I put in. 95 i believe because i didnt have a tach. What is the common problem? The battery light?
Yes, that is the most common issue when swapping clusters. There are slight wiring differences between some model years. I'll have to dig up some old threads with the breakdown of plug-n-play versus doing some re-wiring.

1994 - 1995 clusters should be a plug-n-play (1996 F150/Bronco should work too). If you used a 1992-1993 then you would have the charge problem. Either verify the year cluster and/or go back and check the plugs on the back.
 
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If you put in a 1995 cluster then your truck is a 1993 or someone swapped the wires on the plugs to run a 1993 cluster without a tachometer because the one that came with the truck had a bad PSOM in it.

Now you need to swap the wires back.



1992-1993 C250:


1992-1993 C251:


1994-1995 C250:


1994-1995 C251:
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Originally Posted by subford
If you put in a 1995 cluster then your truck is a 1993 or someone swapped the wires on the plugs to run a 1993 cluster without a tachometer because the one that came with the truck had a bad PSOM in it.

Now you need to swap the wires back.



1992-1993 C250:


1992-1993 C251:


1994-1995 C250:


1994-1995 C251:
/
Just to verify, i googled the part number on the back on the new cluster and it says its from a 93. My truck is a 94 and matches the pin diagram for 94-95.
Will this work? I found the single charge indicator wire on my 94 connector, but the 93 connector diagram shows two, and input and an output.
 
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