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Old Aug 28, 2015 | 10:02 AM
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Lowering processes identification

Hey guys...been diving into this truck finally...got new inner fenders, hood hinges and cowls. Have been wire wheeling everything and undercoating and painting everything to swap....went to take off the outer fender last night just screwing around and man some of those bolts are going to have to be cut off...specifically the lower rear bolt near the door/rocker...it look like theres a captive nut in there just spinning and no room to get a wrench in there...

But hey I learning and getting around the truck easier and easier every time....Took a look underneath last night and the more time I spend on here and the more I learn the more Im finding looks wrong on my truck haha..Curious how this truck was lowered and kind of scratching my head









stock ibeams? cut coils? Heated up coils or completely failed coils? axle flip without a c-notch?

Thanks for all the info...been reading build threads non stop and learning a ton
 
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Old Aug 28, 2015 | 10:11 AM
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Yep.. a PO heated and collapsed the springs to get the front down... cannot determine whether the I-beam was bent to compensate for the drop. Your tire wear may be able to lead to that conclusion.


Dunno the year of your truck. I beams could be correct.. regardless, they have drums and I wouldda figured someone would have gone to discs otherwise.


10-4 on the rear... axle flip with no C-notch. A PO welded brackets to the axle tube... notice that one is slightly canted and there is a "heat-affected" zone.


Steering box is leaking.. contact Red-Head Steering outta WA.
 
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Old Aug 28, 2015 | 10:32 AM
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Ok cool ill add drop beams to the monster list of things this truck needs haha...Worth doing a disc brake swap while im at it?

From what I understand I dont need a c-notch? Definitely leaves a bit desired in the suspension department but doesnt seem like a pressing issue...maybe Im wrong.
 
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Old Aug 28, 2015 | 10:49 AM
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Also, should I look into getting an upgraded spring? Or look for stock replacements to work properly with the drop beams
 
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Old Aug 28, 2015 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by stayxcalm
Ok cool ill add drop beams to the monster list of things this truck needs haha...Worth doing a disc brake swap while im at it?

From what I understand I dont need a c-notch? Definitely leaves a bit desired in the suspension department but doesnt seem like a pressing issue...maybe Im wrong.
I believe it is well worth the effort to swap to discs. Btw, you should first determine your disc spindle donor because there are two specs for dropped I-beams due to the king pin dimensions... 73/74 and 75-79.

As with your truck, some forgo the C-notch and put short bump stops but there is little suspension travel. Your call.. sometimes you need a truck to be a truck. And sometimes a railroad crossing will result in a hard hit to bottom out and that's not exactly safe.

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Also, should I look into getting an upgraded spring? Or look for stock replacements to work properly with the drop beams
You definitely need new coils. Stock coils are fine. Moog offers some progressive springs that are nice. All drop beams do is change the relative position of the spindle to the I-beam... they have longer "necks". .. the same principle as dropped spindles...

Read my build thread... you're basically starting out where I was a couple of years ago: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ide-build.html
 
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Old Aug 28, 2015 | 12:11 PM
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Ok perfect...Ill have to do a bit more research on disc brake swaps and drop beams and make sure I have everything in order before I dive in..thanks!
 
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Old Aug 28, 2015 | 12:21 PM
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Ok perfect...Ill have to do a bit more research on disc brake swaps and drop beams and make sure I have everything in order before I dive in..thanks!

Go to Part 1 of 1/1/2015 update of the Tech Info Compilation linked in my signature for info on disc swaps, lowering, etc....
 
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Old Aug 31, 2015 | 03:55 PM
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Is that compression fitting I see in a brake line? If so I don't think that's legal or safe. In a panic situation that could leak or blow off. I'd get the correct fittings and flare the tubes.
 
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Originally Posted by JEFFFAFA
Is that compression fitting I see in a brake line? If so I don't think that's legal or safe. In a panic situation that could leak or blow off. I'd get the correct fittings and flare the tubes.


I just noticed that too. Compression fittings on brake lines are very dangerous. If you're going to swap to discs later but are going to drive the truck in the mean time, that line needs to be fixed now.
 
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Old Aug 31, 2015 | 11:17 PM
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Drum brakes are cheap to maintain and work great if they're properly adjusted. Less rolling resistance than discs too. I would not put it very high on the to do list.

The way that truck was dropped proves that some people shouldn't own tools, glad you're fixing it properly.
 
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Old Aug 31, 2015 | 11:26 PM
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Drum brakes are cheap to maintain and work great if they're properly adjusted. Less rolling resistance than discs too. I would not put it very high on the to do list.

The way that truck was dropped proves that some people shouldn't own tools, glad you're fixing it properly.
Drums suck monkey nuts when they're cold or wet. Go discs... less susceptible to brake fade under the vast majority of typical circumstances.

But if you're miserly cheap and OK potentially wadded up in the trunk of a Camry, then by all means stay with four-wheel drums.
 
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All the 4 wheel drum vehicles I've had would lock up all four corners with ease. Unless you're going to autocross your truck they are more than sufficient.
 
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Sorry, there is a reason auto manufacturers have basically gone to 100% disc brakes. and its not because they were cheaper to install.
 
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A long steep decent with any real load will test the drums out
 
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Locked brakes really isn't a good measure of good brakes, since the maximum deceleration rate and the maximum coefficient of friction of the tires to the pavement comes at the moment BEFORE wheel lockup.

Locked brakes is what you don't want.
 
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