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Old Jun 19, 2015 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ExPACamper

Taller tires, gears, etc. My idea here is more than 50% of the time the "extra" torque isn't needed when doing the longest trips (think mostly flat highways) . Boost and tuner can make up the slack and add a boost (pun intended!) to performance on demand.
It just doesn't work that way in real life. I've known a few people with aux OD units and none of them report a significant increase in MPG. Any increase they see is more likely due to having more gears to get to hwy speed.

The key here is 'It takes a minimum amount of fuel to push a vehicle down the road at a given speed'. It will be the same amount of fuel at 2100 rpms as it is at 1700 rpms. I can tell you that towing with 4:10's and a 6spd (my dually) is waaaay more desirable than the 3.73's and 4R100 (my Excursion) and towing MPG was almost identical.

I put 120k miles on my Excursion and the best MPG I saw was with stock tuning and 265/75/16 Michelin LTX's. My now ex-wife could squeeze over 20 mpg out of the big dinosaur driving it like a granny and staying under 65mph (often cruising at 60mph... ) I could never drive like that and generally saw about 15mpg with 285/75/16's. Of course, I was burning free high-cholesterol fuel and had little regard for MPG most of the time. At 22k lbs GCW with Toy Hauler in tow I was generally around 10mpg - but I was known to put the chip in my hot tune (324 RWHP ) and drop the hammer climbing grades if I was in a hurry!!! I estimate I was in the gals/mile category at that point... (Btw, it takes good tuning and a BTS transmission to do that with confidence )
 
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Old Jun 19, 2015 | 02:44 PM
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I think that what Tugly mentioned about checking the ODO against the mile markers is the best way to verify your mileage readings. Those markers are surveyed within less than a foot error.
 
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Old Jun 22, 2015 | 10:24 AM
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I think that what Tugly mentioned about checking the ODO against the mile markers is the best way to verify your mileage readings. Those markers are surveyed within less than a foot error.
Started doing this on a 10 mile stretch of the Turnpike. But I have 3 girls with me and there was a rest stop, LOL!

I did, however, uncover some data showing my EBP all erratic and such. I started a new thread about it here: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post15449864

I'm thinking we find and fix that problem, we'll fix this MPG problem
 
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Old Jul 12, 2015 | 10:50 AM
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Ford doesn't do the learn how you drive thing. They did do learning transmissions, but in the diesels that didn't start until the 2003 TorqShift behind the 6.0L.
Hey Mark, can you give a clarification here?

I found this in my manual:

Shift strategy (4R100 automatic transmission)
To account for customer driving habits and conditions, your 4R100
automatic transmission electronically controls the shift quality by using
an adaptive learning strategy. The adaptive learning strategy is
maintained by power from the battery. When the battery is disconnected
or a new battery is installed, the transmission must relearn its adaptive
strategy. Optimal shifting will resume within a few hundred kilometers
(miles) of operation
This seems to contradict what you said about not having learning transmissions in the Diesel Excursions

Did Ford have generic, one-size-fits-all manuals, listing something that isn't in my model?

Is this some special version of Excursion that has the adaptive learning?

Or is the info in the manual just dead wrong?

I'm the guy playing catch up on this stuff, so maybe you or someone has addressed this conflicting info already, but I'd sure appreciate if you'd do it again

Thanks!

BTW, this was in the main owners guide, not the supplement, which I don't yet have electronically.
 
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Old Jul 12, 2015 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ExPACamper
Did Ford have generic, one-size-fits-all manuals, listing something that isn't in my model?
Yes they did.

Originally Posted by ExPACamper
Is this some special version of Excursion that has the adaptive learning?
Yes there is. The Excursions with gas engines had adaptive learning software for the 4R100 transmission.

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Or is the info in the manual just dead wrong?
It is right for 2/3 of the engines available in the Excursion.
 
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Old Jul 12, 2015 | 11:06 PM
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Thanks, Mark. That's clear enough, even for me to understand

Now I realize the emphasis should have been on "diesel" doesn't have the learning transmission instead of "Excursion" (I might have assumed that last part )

 
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