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Old May 19, 2015 | 08:20 PM
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issues with my exhaust

Guys (and gals), I've got a 1978 F100 XLT (302 engine) that has been running fine. However, recently, it's been emitting a big, visible puff of exhaust from the left tail pipe when I start up after it has been sitting for a while. I did replace the flange gasket on that side, but it's a much tighter fit now than it was before.
I mentioned it to the guy at the auto parts store and he said it could be a number of things, but was likely caused by my not using ethanol free gas. So, I recently switched over to E-free gas, but it's still happening. Any thoughts?
 
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Old May 19, 2015 | 08:39 PM
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Depends on some more symptoms. Is the puff of smoke coming after start-up only? Or does it also happen when the truck has been idling for a while and you give it some gas?

Worn valve stem seals can allow oil to trickle down and sit on the intake valve heads, then get sucked into the combustion chamber under increased induction when giving 'er some gas.

This is not a peculiarity of these trucks, just any old worn engine.

A tip I got years ago was:

Blue smoke = burning oil
Black smoke = excessive gas
White smoke = "burning" water
 
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Old May 19, 2015 | 08:44 PM
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A puff on start up, especially one side, is usually caused by oil seeping into a cylinder or intake port or two. In operation under load, the oil gets diluted so no visible smoke but pools up while sitting or sometimes closed throttle coasting (get somebody to follow and watch). I don't know the 302 specifically, but common causes are loose valve clearance, weak valve guide seals or leak at the manifold joint near the valley.
 
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Old May 19, 2015 | 09:23 PM
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I agree, it sounds like oil seeping past the valve seats overnight.. As a last ditch effort you can add 1/4 of a quart of transmission fluid to the gas to assure that it isn't deposits on the valve or seats causing a sticky situation

Good luck
 
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Old May 19, 2015 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Jdeshler
... you can add 1/4 of a quart of transmission fluid to the gas to assure that it isn't deposits on the valve or seats causing a sticky situation...
What does that do?
 
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Old May 19, 2015 | 10:10 PM
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exhaust issue

Thanks for the outlook guys. I only get the blast of smoke when starting up, not after idling for a while. I guess it may be time for a shop visit. Any idea about the risk of driving it for while with this going on?
 
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Old May 19, 2015 | 10:15 PM
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Nah, you should be ok, but if it's lost oil through burning, check the dipstick and give it a wee top-up anyway. These are pretty sturdy engines, but no need to tempt fate just for the want of an oil check...
 
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Old May 19, 2015 | 10:23 PM
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As long as you pay attention to your oil level, the only real immediate risk is to anyone standing behind that exhaust pipe when you start it up.


And ethanol fuel has nothing to do with it. The guy who told you it did doesn't know what he's talking about.
 
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Old May 19, 2015 | 10:28 PM
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The detergent in it will clean most deposits

No risk driving it heavy din, just keep it topped off with oil
 
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Old May 19, 2015 | 10:36 PM
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The detergents in modern top-tier gasolines do a very nice job of cleaning deposits ... that's a good thing.


The concern with ethanol is material compatibility: on very old (i.e. never been rebuilt/replaced) plastic/rubber parts that aren't made with modern materials, it can leach out the plasticizers from the elastomers and polymers, causing cracking and leaks. And on the infrastructure side (or in marine applications), since it is miscible with water, sufficiently high concentrations can actually collect enough water for bacteria to grow, and some of the bugs that eat ethanol produce enough acid to corrode storage tanks and fittings. That's not a concern on automobiles with E10, but it is a concern for underground storage tanks at higher concentrations, or for marine applications. If your carb and fuel pump have been rebuilt/swapped pretty much any time after the '80s, you're probably fine on material compatibility issues with ethanol - worst case, you may *eventually* need to replace fuel hoses too.


There is a bit of an energy density difference, so changes to carburetor tuning would be needed when swapping back and forth between E0 and high-ethanol fuels, but with E10 (what you typically get at the pump today), it's only a 3% difference. So at most you adjust your idle mixture screws a hair and you're good to go. Running 3% lean at mid-load isn't going to hurt anything, and once the power valve kicks in you'll still be rich at WOT.
 
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Old May 20, 2015 | 06:30 AM
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Thanks all. I will keep an eye on the oil and let you guys know if anything changes with this scenario. I'm new to this forum, but it's already proved a great resource. When possible, I'll definitely add any information I can that may help someone else.
 
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Old Aug 10, 2015 | 07:44 PM
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OK, just to wrap up this thread (and I've taken my sweet time about that), the guy who does the big work on my truck sussed out the problem and found that it was the valve stem seals. Four of them were well worn and disintegrated, causing oil to leak into the cylinders. He said that was causing the white smoke. He cleaned them out, replaced the worn ones and I've been good to go. Now, on to the next issue, which I think is going to require an old fashioned tune-up.
 
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