Some C4 part-number help sought
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Some C4 part-number help sought
Can you guys help me with what would have been the stock parts for my 1971 F100, 240 L6, with C4 automatic.
I know the flexplate is zero weight, but do not know what would have been the stock teeth count and the tranny/engine spacer with inspection cover.
Basically needing to order the remainder of the parts needed for this change over. I am probably using Column Shift Linkage - ACA-1801 for my shift linkage and transmission kick down lever - lokar - KD-20C4HT.
I will likely come up with an external tranny cooler setup until I can afford another radiator.
Flexplate options appear to be PIONEER Part # FRA206 or C5TZ6375T;
looks like I have lots of options including the bosch SR513X.
Like I said, any help would be much appreciated. This shadetree mechanic is kind of overwhelmed, again, with this effort.
I know the flexplate is zero weight, but do not know what would have been the stock teeth count and the tranny/engine spacer with inspection cover.
Basically needing to order the remainder of the parts needed for this change over. I am probably using Column Shift Linkage - ACA-1801 for my shift linkage and transmission kick down lever - lokar - KD-20C4HT.
I will likely come up with an external tranny cooler setup until I can afford another radiator.
Flexplate options appear to be PIONEER Part # FRA206 or C5TZ6375T;
looks like I have lots of options including the bosch SR513X.
Like I said, any help would be much appreciated. This shadetree mechanic is kind of overwhelmed, again, with this effort.
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For 65/72 F100/250 240/300 & C4:
Also for 65/72 F350,P350/500 240/300 and C/M:
Spacer plate part number D2TZ7007A.
1.Stanley Ford in Sweetwater Tx...325-236-6355.
2.Grapevine Ford in Grapevine,Tx....817-481-3531.
3.Tommie Vaughn Auto in Columbus ,Tx....979-732-2353.
4.Randle Reed's Planet ford in Humble,Tx......281-446-2155.
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Lower Access cover part number C5AZ7986A.
1.Saint Augustine Motors in Saint Augustine,Tx.......936-275-2371.
Also for 65/72 F350,P350/500 240/300 and C/M:
Spacer plate part number D2TZ7007A.
1.Stanley Ford in Sweetwater Tx...325-236-6355.
2.Grapevine Ford in Grapevine,Tx....817-481-3531.
3.Tommie Vaughn Auto in Columbus ,Tx....979-732-2353.
4.Randle Reed's Planet ford in Humble,Tx......281-446-2155.
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Lower Access cover part number C5AZ7986A.
1.Saint Augustine Motors in Saint Augustine,Tx.......936-275-2371.
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For 65/72 F100/250 300 & C4:
Also for 65/72 F350,P350/500 300 and C/C:
Spacer plate part number D2TZ7007A.
1.Stanley Ford in Sweetwater Tx...325-236-6355.
2.Grapevine Ford in Grapevine,Tx....817-481-3531.
3.Tommie Vaughn Auto in Columbus ,Tx....979-732-2353.
4.Randle Reed's Planet ford in Humble,Tx......281-446-2155.
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Lower Access cover part number C5AZ7986A.
1.Saint Augustine Motors in Saint Augustine,Tx.......936-275-2371.
Also for 65/72 F350,P350/500 300 and C/C:
Spacer plate part number D2TZ7007A.
1.Stanley Ford in Sweetwater Tx...325-236-6355.
2.Grapevine Ford in Grapevine,Tx....817-481-3531.
3.Tommie Vaughn Auto in Columbus ,Tx....979-732-2353.
4.Randle Reed's Planet ford in Humble,Tx......281-446-2155.
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Lower Access cover part number C5AZ7986A.
1.Saint Augustine Motors in Saint Augustine,Tx.......936-275-2371.
All of my searches for those part numbers showed them applicable to later models.
Thanks again.
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I would not use an auxiliary transmission oil cooler in lieu of a radiator cooler --especially living in Texas.
An aux transmission cooler should be used in conjunction with the cooler in the radiator, not in place of the radiator cooler.
No sense in risking all the effort and dollars to install the transmission and not install ALL the components, as insurance, to guard against any catastrophic failure from overheating.
For approximately every 20° temperature rise of the transmission fluid above 175°, fluid life --and thus transmission life, is cut in half.
Here is a chart I've posted before showing what happens to the transmission, as the temperature rises, and how far the transmission will go before failure.
An aux transmission cooler should be used in conjunction with the cooler in the radiator, not in place of the radiator cooler.
No sense in risking all the effort and dollars to install the transmission and not install ALL the components, as insurance, to guard against any catastrophic failure from overheating.
For approximately every 20° temperature rise of the transmission fluid above 175°, fluid life --and thus transmission life, is cut in half.
Here is a chart I've posted before showing what happens to the transmission, as the temperature rises, and how far the transmission will go before failure.
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Ultra, I am sure you are correct on the radiator and that will be added to my shopping list along with:
C5AZ7986A - inspection cover;
D2TZ7007A - spacer block;
C5TZ6375T - 164 tooth, zero balance flex plate.
And of course a transmission mount, which is readily available at a few places.
C5AZ7986A - inspection cover;
D2TZ7007A - spacer block;
C5TZ6375T - 164 tooth, zero balance flex plate.
And of course a transmission mount, which is readily available at a few places.
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If you were working on your '69, it would be pretty easy to add a stacked plate transmission cooler behind the grille, like the transmission cooler I put on my '69 from a '92 model F150. --I don't know how much room there will be with an A/C condenser coil, since I don't (currently) have A/C.
The '92 transmission cooler MAY fit behind the grille on a '70 model but, a '71/'72 grille has clearance issues due to the much thicker inserts on those grilles (not as much space between the backside of the grille to the face side of the core support).
There are aftermarket oil coolers that have a cooling fan attached to them. The cooler could be remotely mounted and not dependent on the forward ram flow of air at the front of the vehicle.
Example.
Derale Performance Electra-Cool Remote Fluid Coolers 13700 - Free Shipping on Orders Over $99 at Summit Racing
The '92 transmission cooler MAY fit behind the grille on a '70 model but, a '71/'72 grille has clearance issues due to the much thicker inserts on those grilles (not as much space between the backside of the grille to the face side of the core support).
There are aftermarket oil coolers that have a cooling fan attached to them. The cooler could be remotely mounted and not dependent on the forward ram flow of air at the front of the vehicle.
Example.
Derale Performance Electra-Cool Remote Fluid Coolers 13700 - Free Shipping on Orders Over $99 at Summit Racing
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Don't have a/c so that would not be an issue. I am planning to replace my 71 grille with a 1968 painted metal grille I have in my collection of parts for this truck.
So that would lead me to believe you would be OK with an add-on type of cooler in that situation?
For grins, I am going to check with my local ford dealer and see if their parts guy might have access to those parts numbers provided. If he can get them, then pricing might be prohibitive with them. But I like to inquire. They will at least check.
So that would lead me to believe you would be OK with an add-on type of cooler in that situation?
For grins, I am going to check with my local ford dealer and see if their parts guy might have access to those parts numbers provided. If he can get them, then pricing might be prohibitive with them. But I like to inquire. They will at least check.
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Don't have a/c so that would not be an issue. I am planning to replace my 71 grille with a 1968 painted metal grille I have in my collection of parts for this truck.
So that would lead me to believe you would be OK with an add-on type of cooler in that situation?
For grins, I am going to check with my local ford dealer and see if their parts guy might have access to those parts numbers provided. If he can get them, then pricing might be prohibitive with them. But I like to inquire. They will at least check.
So that would lead me to believe you would be OK with an add-on type of cooler in that situation?
For grins, I am going to check with my local ford dealer and see if their parts guy might have access to those parts numbers provided. If he can get them, then pricing might be prohibitive with them. But I like to inquire. They will at least check.
Factory part number on my transmission oil cooler is, F2UH-7A095-BE.
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Ultra, have not had any success finding that cooler on-line. Only reference to that part number comes up at our FTE site.
I did order block spacer, inspection plate, flex plate, rear transmission mount (isolator), engine mounts (isolators), kick-down cable kit, transmission shift kit (both Lokar). Found the flex plate at a ford dealership - it was NOS - for about $70. My dealer had it as well - for $375.
Can I use the same bolts from the manual tranny to bolt up the c4 when that time comes?
I did order block spacer, inspection plate, flex plate, rear transmission mount (isolator), engine mounts (isolators), kick-down cable kit, transmission shift kit (both Lokar). Found the flex plate at a ford dealership - it was NOS - for about $70. My dealer had it as well - for $375.
Can I use the same bolts from the manual tranny to bolt up the c4 when that time comes?
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The OEM transmission oil cooler I have was made by Long (cooler pictured to the far right in photo immediately below).
This is a brand new cooler and the same exact cooler I have, minus the Ford mounting brackets (in link below) --but, mounting brackets would be easy to make for it. Long p/n LPD-4588. (The LPD stands for low pressure drop).
TRU-COOL LPD4588 TRANSMISSION OIL COOLER BY LONG 5 3/4 x 11x 1 1/2 - CT Powertrain Products
This is a brand new cooler and the same exact cooler I have, minus the Ford mounting brackets (in link below) --but, mounting brackets would be easy to make for it. Long p/n LPD-4588. (The LPD stands for low pressure drop).
TRU-COOL LPD4588 TRANSMISSION OIL COOLER BY LONG 5 3/4 x 11x 1 1/2 - CT Powertrain Products
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Ok, thanks. Will consider this approach or replacing the radiator when the time comes.
Spent a bunch of credit last night, when my mortgage broker told me I should be holding off on such things. But a man must do what a man must do when it comes to his trucks.
Spent a bunch of credit last night, when my mortgage broker told me I should be holding off on such things. But a man must do what a man must do when it comes to his trucks.
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There are no part numbers marked on parts after 1956, just casting and ID engineering numbers, when applicable.
Since this ID number isn't listed in the text (1990/2001 truck catalog) along with the cooler part numbers, one needs a Master Cross Reference Catalog to cross it over.
I have 3 different editions on bound paper for this time frame (1992), but the ID number isn't listed.
The part number might be: F2UZ-7A095-A that was replaced by F6UZ-7A095-BA = 1992/97 Econoline w/a C6.
To verify, JEFFFAFA has better resources, since he's a partsguy currently working at an AZ Ford dealer.