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Old Apr 28, 2015 | 09:15 PM
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ping. cam to small??

Hey guys finally got my 390 together after a while it waiting aaaaand it pings. Even a little while idling in gear and cruising!! I've put premium in it to no avail and I've retarded the timing to where it barely runs and it pings worse!!!! Previous owner rebuilt bottom half and I drove it for 2 months with no problems. It didn't have hardened valve seats so I pulled the heads and had those done and put her back together. That's it!!! The pistons aren't in the hole like they used to be they are flush with the deck at tdc by my eyeball so I know it's higher comp than stock. Do I just need more cam??? That's stock too. Has 4bbl and headers and runs like a raped ape but I've only ran it once cause of the ping!
 
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Old Apr 28, 2015 | 09:21 PM
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Go back to basics by verifying TDC, cam phasing, and rotor position.

If the engine has been rebuilt, did you calculate the compression ratio? Valve relief, piston dish, crushed head gasket thickness, and cylinder head volume all play a part!
 
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Old Apr 28, 2015 | 09:35 PM
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Like I said it ran fine with leaky valve seats. Would by replacing them make the compression to high now since it was leaking compression before? I did not build it just gave it a valve job
 
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Old Apr 28, 2015 | 09:43 PM
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Like I said it ran fine with leaky valve seats. Would by replacing them make the compression to high now since it was leaking compression before? I did not build it just gave it a valve job
Ah.. OK.

Like I said, go back to basics and verify the setup.
 
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Old Apr 28, 2015 | 09:46 PM
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I know it's 30 over. Completely stock heads and valvetrain. Pistons have factory valve reliefs but don't sit down in the hole like stock. I believe they did the old 360 pistons in a 390 truck to raise the compression
 
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Old Apr 28, 2015 | 10:43 PM
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I'd do a compression test and see how high it is for one thing.
If to high look for higher octane grade of gas or booster.

Check your vacuum advance that it's working an not leaking.

The 360 pistons have the long skirts versus the 390 ones.

May be your 390 engine is from a car as they have less deck height
putting the piston closer to the deck.

What's the casting #'s on the heads an block by rear of alternator?

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Old Apr 28, 2015 | 10:51 PM
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Cast numbers are c8ae-h for the heads. It is a true 390 truck so pretty sure the motor is original. And most 360 pistons don't have different skirts. Only some. It pulls 200-210 on compression tester. This is the best pic I had if the pistons while the head was off
 
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Old Apr 28, 2015 | 10:56 PM
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After looking around at pics those are flat top pistons so I guess I just need more cam??? Y'all have any reccomendations on what size to go with? I like lunati and was looking at their voodoo series
 
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Old Apr 28, 2015 | 11:31 PM
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The c8ae-h heads are from a car, mostly small cc chambers.

My first 390 was a from a 1967 wagon heads c7ae that compression was around 9.4
76 cc chambers.

My 2th 390 block D4TE with 68 fairlane heads cast# c8ae-h that I pulled off the car.
Truck heads should have a like a T=truck in it. The A=auto


I had to use the Highest octane gas and back my timing to TDC-2* with out it pinging
with having my cab over camper on and near sea level.

Now running 8.3 ratio with 76cc c8ae heads with a 428 crank and I can now run regular gas if needed when price goes to high.

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Old Apr 29, 2015 | 12:10 PM
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Which spark plugs you running? You might pull a few of them and read them to see if that carb is running too lean.
 
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You can also cup your hand over the carb as it's idling and if engine speeds up in rpm then changes are your running lean. Also having headers leans your over all gas/air mixture stock Holley's carbs for a fe run around #64-66 main jets.

I'm sure if it's been pinging your spark plugs will be white with little gray beads of molten metal specks from the top of your pistons if you run it long enough to start any damage.
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Old Apr 29, 2015 | 08:12 PM
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Carb has #69 Holley jets in it. She runs plenty rich I think it's just a cylinder pressure problem. And no I haven't run it much
 
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Old Apr 29, 2015 | 08:48 PM
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What type of dizzy OEM ? Have you checked for a leaking vac. advances diaphragm or how much it's advancing. Most are advances are adjustable with a allen wench.in the hose nipple.
 
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you have the same pistons and heads I have you should be right at 10:1 depending on head gasket .
maybe carb needs a rebuild ? which holley is it ?
 
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Old Apr 30, 2015 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by MIKES 68 F100
you have the same pistons and heads I have you should be right at 10:1 depending on head gasket .
maybe carb needs a rebuild ? which holley is it ?
It's a brand new Holley 4160 600cfm 4Bbl
Do you have a stock cam too?
 
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