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Old Apr 23, 2015 | 07:27 PM
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I have a 1997 expedition Eddie Bauer 5.4. A week ago I got the gremlins due to, I've since found out, the windshield leaking problem. I replaced the inside fuse box/gem with one out of a junk yard. It started and ran fine. Drove it around for a little while that same day when it died due to running out of battery life. Long story short I've now replaced the battery, two alternators, starter, alternator mega fuse, alternator plug, main cable from the mega fuse to alternator, neg battery cable, checked all relays and fuses and still shows the same signs. Before start the batt shows 12.30 volts. After start it shows anywhere from 11.8 to 12.00 volts. Everything shows its getting power but I've always been told after starting it should read between 13.3 to 14.4 volts. Any help would be deeply appreciated. I just bought this truck and am already very disappointed.
 
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Old Apr 23, 2015 | 07:42 PM
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First things first:


Does the Battery lamp light with KOEO?


Is the battery lamp on with KOER?
 
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Old Apr 23, 2015 | 08:00 PM
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KOEO?? KOER?? Explain please
 
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Old Apr 23, 2015 | 08:14 PM
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KOEO?? KOER?? Explain please
Key On Engine Off, and Key On Engine Running.
 
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Old Apr 24, 2015 | 09:02 AM
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Yep, you are not getting any charge. Battery voltage s/be about 12.8 volts static., 13.8-14.2 running at the alternator terminal, slightly less at the battery.
Sounds like it started with the gem box change. Are you sure the long one is compatible and that all connections are correct? Are all three wires connected properly on the back of the alternator?
To Jim's point, I would expect to see your alternator light to illuminate here if connections are correct.
 
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Old Apr 24, 2015 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by poorboy79
Long story short I've now replaced the battery, two alternators, starter, alternator mega fuse, alternator plug, main cable from the mega fuse to alternator, neg battery cable, checked all relays and fuses and still shows the same signs. Before start the batt shows 12.30 volts. After start it shows anywhere from 11.8 to 12.00 volts.
In 97 there is an alternator field 20-amp fuse located just under the 2 mega fuses. See the PDF below.
 
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Old Apr 24, 2015 | 02:09 PM
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Field fuse is good. Checked. Checked and double checked. All wires checked out
 
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Originally Posted by poorboy79
Field fuse is good. Checked. Checked and double checked. All wires checked out
In that case the problem is with the two alternators you installed, or there is no ground bond between the engine block and the body, or the belt is slipping.
 
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Old Apr 24, 2015 | 07:31 PM
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New serpentin too. Alternator bench tested good 3 times in a row. New ground strap from neg terminal to firewall. New ground strap from starter mount bolts to frame
 
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Battery cells, are they in good condition. One time I had a bad cell within a battery and that caused it to poopooed on the road.
 
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Have you measured the continuity from the negative battery terminal to the metal housing of the alternator? If there's any resistance there, it might not be making good contact to the engine block.
 
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Originally Posted by poorboy79
Alternator bench tested good 3 times in a row.
Alternators can test good when cool and fail when hot. When you took the voltage reading with the engine running, was the alternator hot or cool?
 
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New battery.
 
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Old Apr 25, 2015 | 02:39 PM
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Taken readings both cool and warm
 
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Old Apr 25, 2015 | 08:54 PM
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Have you measured the continuity from the negative battery terminal to the metal housing of the alternator? If there's any resistance there, it might not be making good contact to the engine block.

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But don't measure continuity.
With the engine running and with lights and heater fan on high, measure the voltage drop between the alternator frame and the battery negative post with your DMM. You want to see less than 0.2 volts dropped on the ground side.
 
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