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I'm with everyone else on this! TELL the dealership, you have access to over 118k Ford Vehicle owners at the click of a button! One mention of the dealerships name and who knows what we'll do!!Each of us will notify 30-40 freinds and family members, well maybe you guys do, but we'll get the word out real quick!
While you are there, maybe you should show him the FTE sight, and have him check this post!
Mr. Dealership- Come on, this guy has had this problem for over 2 weeks at least. GET THE PROBLEM SOLVED OR TAKE YOUR TRUCK BACK. WE ARE ADULTS HERE AND DEMAND TO BE TREATED WITH THE UPMOST COURTESY AND RESPECT!
ok, I'm done for now... I'm going to take something and go to bed....
While you are there, maybe you should show him the FTE sight, and have him check this post!
Mr. Dealership- Come on, this guy has had this problem for over 2 weeks at least. GET THE PROBLEM SOLVED OR TAKE YOUR TRUCK BACK. WE ARE ADULTS HERE AND DEMAND TO BE TREATED WITH THE UPMOST COURTESY AND RESPECT!
ok, I'm done for now... I'm going to take something and go to bed....
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From: Baton Rouge, LA
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Hey guys! Still no luck here...I had the dealership check out the pcm on my truck and after waiting a day for the ford hotline to call the dealer back, it turns out that i do have the updated pcm...shucks! The dealer then told me that they would do the induction cleaning directly on the pistons(which i thought they have already done) instead of just on the throttle body at no charge. Well I got my truck back and still no improvement. Im beginning to think this is just a lost cause. Ive had 2 Ford dealers and a local shop check everything out and all they can tell me is that everything is working fine. When I talked to a ford tech this morning he told me that he had a ranger with the same engine(3.0) and his pinged under load and he couldnt get it to stop and it still ran for 180,000 miles. All he said was that he thinks the 3.0 is justs not a towing engine, and that the 4.0 was a towing engine for the ranger if you were going to be doing some towing. So I guess my options are getting a time machine and traveling back and getting my truck with the 4.0, or just not tow any loads until I can afford a new truck. My next Ford will definately have a V-8!
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From: Connecticut
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Bass,
I'm not necessarily a proponent of the "Colder Thermostat" mod, but since you tried everything else, have you thought about it?
Also, for me the jury is still out regarding the "Hot Water Bypass" mod, but again, since you have exhausted all other options, maybe you should consider giving that a shot, too. (I think you have that possibility on your '00 vulcan, don't you?)
I'm not necessarily a proponent of the "Colder Thermostat" mod, but since you tried everything else, have you thought about it?
Also, for me the jury is still out regarding the "Hot Water Bypass" mod, but again, since you have exhausted all other options, maybe you should consider giving that a shot, too. (I think you have that possibility on your '00 vulcan, don't you?)
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From: Baton Rouge, LA
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Hey Rock,
I might give the colder thermostat a shot. Do you have any idea what kind i should get? (brand, degree) Im almost willing to try anything. As for the hot water bypass-I read somewhere that the heated water going through the intake is actually being cooled by the intake, so if you bypass the intake it will just make the water hotter and give you an overheating problem. The way i take it, the hot water was designed to flow through the intake and if you change that then you will probably effect something else, whether it be a good effect or bad effect, noone really knows so ill just keep it stock for now. But please send me some info on a good thermostat I could use. Also, can you explain how a cooler thermostat can help out with the pinging. Im not too sure about this one...
I might give the colder thermostat a shot. Do you have any idea what kind i should get? (brand, degree) Im almost willing to try anything. As for the hot water bypass-I read somewhere that the heated water going through the intake is actually being cooled by the intake, so if you bypass the intake it will just make the water hotter and give you an overheating problem. The way i take it, the hot water was designed to flow through the intake and if you change that then you will probably effect something else, whether it be a good effect or bad effect, noone really knows so ill just keep it stock for now. But please send me some info on a good thermostat I could use. Also, can you explain how a cooler thermostat can help out with the pinging. Im not too sure about this one...
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From: Connecticut
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Supposedly, a 180* (or lower) thermostat will help your engine run cooler, thus keeping the combustion chamber cooler which helps to eliminate pinging, since high heat in the chamber is one the primary causes of pinging. That is the theory behind the colder thermostat, as I understand it.
Also, regarding the HWP, I've probably heard the same things you did about the pros and cons of doing it. I guess my thinking on it is, since the mod is easily reversible, why not give it a try? If you get too nervous you can always change it back....
Again, I'm just kicking around some ideas here...you are the one who knows what's best for your engine.
Also, regarding the HWP, I've probably heard the same things you did about the pros and cons of doing it. I guess my thinking on it is, since the mod is easily reversible, why not give it a try? If you get too nervous you can always change it back....
Again, I'm just kicking around some ideas here...you are the one who knows what's best for your engine.
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From: Baton Rouge, LA
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Thanks again Rock, I'm going to order a 180 thermostat today. It should be in tommorow and so ill switch it out then and while im at it ill flush out my cooling system. Ill let you know if it helps any.
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From: Upstate NY Rochester
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Hey Guys! This'll be my last reply to this post. My brain cells aren't working properly any more..
Maybe switching to a hotter plug would help.
Thanks for all the great advice and suggestions everyone. See you all later....
Maybe switching to a hotter plug would help.
Thanks for all the great advice and suggestions everyone. See you all later....
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I used to have a serious problem with pinging, but this weekend I replaced the air filter, spark plugs (bosche platnum +4), PCV valve, cleaned the TB, and "steam cleaned" the inside of the engine using the disconnected vaccume line from the back of the intake to suck in water (small amounts of course) while reving the engine. NO PING anymore! words cannot describe the awesome sound of no ping!
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Hey bass, just wondered if you found a solution to your pinging?? Yes, install a 160 stat- but then you will need a programmer such as hypertech (or jet) to keep the check engine light off, but sure works good. My 96 ranger never pings, and no you dont need another truck- but you might also need another radiator. Just changing the thermostat doesnt mean the water temp will run 170 degrees, which is what you need for good assurance that it will never ping again. And yes, i tried running a 180 stat but doesnt work as well. j.d., KCK let us know how you come out....
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From: Oregon
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I tried everything as well for pinging and then just yesterday I got my answer. I took it to the dealer thinking I was going to replace my PCM but they explained that my MAF sensor was bad. This kind of surprised me as I had cleaned it and it looked fine and I had never had a check engine light come on either. They said that is was running high voltage at idle. Needless to say I was very skeptical. Anyway, my truck doesn't ping anymore and I am very glad. I think that these MAF sensors are kind of "touchy". Good luck.
PS My truck only had 50,000 miles...I would have someone who knows what they are doing check your MAF sensor.
PS My truck only had 50,000 miles...I would have someone who knows what they are doing check your MAF sensor.
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Hey guys,
Well I installed a new 180 degree thermostat about a week ago and flushed my cooling system. It did seam to clear up some of the pinging but its still not totally gone. It only pings now when I get real hard on the gas or under a load. I just got back from taking a trip to see a buddy of mine graduate army bootcamp in Ft. Sill, OK, and I didnt hear it ping once! I might look into getting my MAF checked out again. Anyone know how much I could get a new one for? Im hoping to get this fixed soon becuase I dont want to tow my boat with my truck pinging and screw the engine up, but im also dying to get back out on the water. Thanks for all the replies yall!
Well I installed a new 180 degree thermostat about a week ago and flushed my cooling system. It did seam to clear up some of the pinging but its still not totally gone. It only pings now when I get real hard on the gas or under a load. I just got back from taking a trip to see a buddy of mine graduate army bootcamp in Ft. Sill, OK, and I didnt hear it ping once! I might look into getting my MAF checked out again. Anyone know how much I could get a new one for? Im hoping to get this fixed soon becuase I dont want to tow my boat with my truck pinging and screw the engine up, but im also dying to get back out on the water. Thanks for all the replies yall!
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Hello Bass! I am glad to hear that the 180 thermostat is helping. That's great! The original MAF sensor for my truck from the Ford dealer was $170. I should also update you on my pinging.... After I replaced my MAF sensor it didn't ping at all but then I filled up with gas from a Union 76 gas station and it was back. Previously I was using Chevron or Shell 87 gas. Does this make any sense? Maybe it was just that particular gas station? I may try the 180 thermostat myself...
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