towing tune
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Mountain Pass
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towing tune
I have a 2014 F350 crew cab long box
6.7 4x4
Its my daily driver and daily work truck. It tows a 5000 pound trailer daily pretty much, 14,000 pound dump trailer a few times a month, and a 13,000lb camper 5-6 times a year 250 miles north. Also snow plowing in the winter.
I'm currently running the "towing tune" from my SCT x4 tuner which adds 95tq + 90hp. Gained 1.5-2.5 mpg and it pulls so much better.
I'm tempted to bump it up to the 100hp+115tq tune.
Any reason not to? I did a quick search for this topic and didn't find much, especially for 2014 trucks.
Thanks in advance.
6.7 4x4
Its my daily driver and daily work truck. It tows a 5000 pound trailer daily pretty much, 14,000 pound dump trailer a few times a month, and a 13,000lb camper 5-6 times a year 250 miles north. Also snow plowing in the winter.
I'm currently running the "towing tune" from my SCT x4 tuner which adds 95tq + 90hp. Gained 1.5-2.5 mpg and it pulls so much better.
I'm tempted to bump it up to the 100hp+115tq tune.
Any reason not to? I did a quick search for this topic and didn't find much, especially for 2014 trucks.
Thanks in advance.
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I have a 2014 F350 crew cab long box
6.7 4x4
Its my daily driver and daily work truck. It tows a 5000 pound trailer daily pretty much, 14,000 pound dump trailer a few times a month, and a 13,000lb camper 5-6 times a year 250 miles north. Also snow plowing in the winter.
I'm currently running the "towing tune" from my SCT x4 tuner which adds 95tq + 90hp. Gained 1.5-2.5 mpg and it pulls so much better.
I'm tempted to bump it up to the 100hp+115tq tune.
Any reason not to? I did a quick search for this topic and didn't find much, especially for 2014 trucks.
Thanks in advance.
6.7 4x4
Its my daily driver and daily work truck. It tows a 5000 pound trailer daily pretty much, 14,000 pound dump trailer a few times a month, and a 13,000lb camper 5-6 times a year 250 miles north. Also snow plowing in the winter.
I'm currently running the "towing tune" from my SCT x4 tuner which adds 95tq + 90hp. Gained 1.5-2.5 mpg and it pulls so much better.
I'm tempted to bump it up to the 100hp+115tq tune.
Any reason not to? I did a quick search for this topic and didn't find much, especially for 2014 trucks.
Thanks in advance.
I really question the need to put tunes in these 6.7's....
They have enough ***** off the showroom floor to move the max GVW at a really good rate with reasonable economy...
Increased power takes two things to make - fuel and air. I'm not sure how you're getting more power along with greater economy. Does not make sense.
It would be good to see some actual dyno results from some of these tuners to see if the claims are anywhere close to accurate.
Good luck....
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Mountain Pass
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I didn't tell my employees I tuned the truck....
One told me one day "its averaging 13 mpg going from job to job, its usually 11"
I can tell there's more power, it doesn't have to downshift as much when towing my camper up north, which the route is very hilly. It would downshift to fourth gear constantly, now it stays in fifth or six through most of that area. It also gets onto the highway much faster haha
One told me one day "its averaging 13 mpg going from job to job, its usually 11"
I can tell there's more power, it doesn't have to downshift as much when towing my camper up north, which the route is very hilly. It would downshift to fourth gear constantly, now it stays in fifth or six through most of that area. It also gets onto the highway much faster haha
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How and when the fuel is metered in relation to the piston also effects combustion efficiency, and overall economy. It can also effect injector noise levels and stress on the fuel system so the programming is a balance of many things.
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Yep I read you Justin....
Not trying to establish myself as an expert, but clearly not a neophyte either...
I've done firmware and ECU programming for a number of years (Gassers) and have built my fair share of competition engines so I know my way around pretty well...
I'm having a hard time believing that Ford Engineers are so dense that they can't produce efficient tuning.... Given that they are locked in mortal combat with the other two mfgrs for Hp/TQ bragging rights as well as subject to the desires of the consumer for power and economy - it would seem logical to me that they would do the best they can do within the parameters of the EPA as well as addressing the longevity of the rest of the package.
It truly is what you said - a balance... You tip the scale in one direction the other side has to give...
Contrary to the desires and beliefs of many - FASTER, BETTER, CHEAPER does not exist.. You can have your pick of only two...
The internal combustion engine is a very simple device. Suck-Squeeze-Bang-Blow... Changing that balance has a cost and it's not just the cost of the programmer..
Not trying to establish myself as an expert, but clearly not a neophyte either...
I've done firmware and ECU programming for a number of years (Gassers) and have built my fair share of competition engines so I know my way around pretty well...
I'm having a hard time believing that Ford Engineers are so dense that they can't produce efficient tuning.... Given that they are locked in mortal combat with the other two mfgrs for Hp/TQ bragging rights as well as subject to the desires of the consumer for power and economy - it would seem logical to me that they would do the best they can do within the parameters of the EPA as well as addressing the longevity of the rest of the package.
It truly is what you said - a balance... You tip the scale in one direction the other side has to give...
Contrary to the desires and beliefs of many - FASTER, BETTER, CHEAPER does not exist.. You can have your pick of only two...
The internal combustion engine is a very simple device. Suck-Squeeze-Bang-Blow... Changing that balance has a cost and it's not just the cost of the programmer..
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Mountain Pass
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My truck stock was 400hp 800 torque
I put in the tow tune putting me to 490 hp 895 torque
The 2015 ford my friend just got is what, 860 torque and 440 HP????
If my tuner didn't add actual power, then how did I beat him in a race from a stop sign last week ?
Food for thought.
I put in the tow tune putting me to 490 hp 895 torque
The 2015 ford my friend just got is what, 860 torque and 440 HP????
If my tuner didn't add actual power, then how did I beat him in a race from a stop sign last week ?
Food for thought.
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a towing tune? I suppose you don't want a tune that utilizes the theme from "rawhide"? ... towing, towing, towing, ..... Sorry bad sense of humour and can't help myself
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My truck stock was 400hp 800 torque
I put in the tow tune putting me to 490 hp 895 torque
The 2015 ford my friend just got is what, 860 torque and 440 HP????
If my tuner didn't add actual power, then how did I beat him in a race from a stop sign last week ?
Food for thought.
I put in the tow tune putting me to 490 hp 895 torque
The 2015 ford my friend just got is what, 860 torque and 440 HP????
If my tuner didn't add actual power, then how did I beat him in a race from a stop sign last week ?
Food for thought.
But what you didn't do is to increase your volumetric efficiency in regard to fuel consumption. IE, you added fuel, you travel the same distance in less time, you burned more fuel to travel that distance..
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I have a 2014 F350 crew cab long box
6.7 4x4
Its my daily driver and daily work truck. It tows a 5000 pound trailer daily pretty much, 14,000 pound dump trailer a few times a month, and a 13,000lb camper 5-6 times a year 250 miles north. Also snow plowing in the winter.
I'm currently running the "towing tune" from my SCT x4 tuner which adds 95tq + 90hp. Gained 1.5-2.5 mpg and it pulls so much better.
I'm tempted to bump it up to the 100hp+115tq tune.
Any reason not to? I did a quick search for this topic and didn't find much, especially for 2014 trucks.
Thanks in advance.
6.7 4x4
Its my daily driver and daily work truck. It tows a 5000 pound trailer daily pretty much, 14,000 pound dump trailer a few times a month, and a 13,000lb camper 5-6 times a year 250 miles north. Also snow plowing in the winter.
I'm currently running the "towing tune" from my SCT x4 tuner which adds 95tq + 90hp. Gained 1.5-2.5 mpg and it pulls so much better.
I'm tempted to bump it up to the 100hp+115tq tune.
Any reason not to? I did a quick search for this topic and didn't find much, especially for 2014 trucks.
Thanks in advance.
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Oh you added power alright.. By adding fuel and air, potentially altering timing to a degree and maybe by altering shift points in the transmission.
But what you didn't do is to increase your volumetric efficiency in regard to fuel consumption. IE, you added fuel, you travel the same distance in less time, you burned more fuel to travel that distance..
But what you didn't do is to increase your volumetric efficiency in regard to fuel consumption. IE, you added fuel, you travel the same distance in less time, you burned more fuel to travel that distance..
Not sure what you mean by "in regards to fuel consumption"..? But as for VE, it is increased no doubt, with a good tuner.
Thats one reason why a properly tuned truck gets better mpg, and gets the best mpg on the highest power level of most tunes. Not talking about an all out drag tune, on a Normal clean tune, not extreme tunes.
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I really think that people just have an automatic idea that a tuner will add mpg. I use arguably the best software for the 6.7 with zero mpg increase and I'm not surprised. if I use a tune above the stock setting I'm commanding more fuel from my pump to be able to achieve better response And overall power. reducing air intake and exit restriction on the engine opens the door to any hope of a mpg increase
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Power from a modern turbo diesel is a many factored thing. It's not my area of expertise, but many have argued that running them hotter increases the efficiency of combustion. Maybe that's true. My guess is there's a lot more to it than that.
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Yep I read you Justin....
Not trying to establish myself as an expert, but clearly not a neophyte either...
I've done firmware and ECU programming for a number of years (Gassers) and have built my fair share of competition engines so I know my way around pretty well...
I'm having a hard time believing that Ford Engineers are so dense that they can't produce efficient tuning.... Given that they are locked in mortal combat with the other two mfgrs for Hp/TQ bragging rights as well as subject to the desires of the consumer for power and economy - it would seem logical to me that they would do the best they can do within the parameters of the EPA as well as addressing the longevity of the rest of the package.
It truly is what you said - a balance... You tip the scale in one direction the other side has to give...
Contrary to the desires and beliefs of many - FASTER, BETTER, CHEAPER does not exist.. You can have your pick of only two...
The internal combustion engine is a very simple device. Suck-Squeeze-Bang-Blow... Changing that balance has a cost and it's not just the cost of the programmer..
Not trying to establish myself as an expert, but clearly not a neophyte either...
I've done firmware and ECU programming for a number of years (Gassers) and have built my fair share of competition engines so I know my way around pretty well...
I'm having a hard time believing that Ford Engineers are so dense that they can't produce efficient tuning.... Given that they are locked in mortal combat with the other two mfgrs for Hp/TQ bragging rights as well as subject to the desires of the consumer for power and economy - it would seem logical to me that they would do the best they can do within the parameters of the EPA as well as addressing the longevity of the rest of the package.
It truly is what you said - a balance... You tip the scale in one direction the other side has to give...
Contrary to the desires and beliefs of many - FASTER, BETTER, CHEAPER does not exist.. You can have your pick of only two...
The internal combustion engine is a very simple device. Suck-Squeeze-Bang-Blow... Changing that balance has a cost and it's not just the cost of the programmer..
I am where you are at. There is no free lunch. What can be done is to adjust the tune to the dance. Back in my 1320 days my engines were built to hit peak torque at near 5000 rpm and peak hp at near 7000. A pizz-ant would have more tow power than I did.
Read the specs on NASCAR and Indy engines today and some of the engines are pulling 20,000 rpm!
If you are adding about 100 extra HP and 100 lbs of torque, you are adding a lot of stress on the system, at some point in time there will be a cost to do so.
Here is the real question when a tuner makes claims of added HP/Tq...show me the curves from the dyno. If you game is towing and a tune adds an extra 100 ponies of HP/Tq and it does not appear until 2500 rpm but to get it you had to give up ponies and Tq down around 1500 rpm, then you have not gained anything, in fact you have lost performance where you need it the most.
There is absolutely no guarantee that the winner of the race is the one with the most HP/Tq, its does not work that way...