Anyone running PHP hydra ?? Issues with new chip
Post Fiend
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From: Sioux Falls, SD
Send the serial# with your e-mail, much quicker that way. You can see it along the bottom of the Hydra Software window when you plug it in.
P.S. Small world, I remember driving through Marble Falls all the time when we lived in San Antonio and would drive up to 281 to Fort Hood or South Dakota. Horsshoe Bay etc.....
P.S. Small world, I remember driving through Marble Falls all the time when we lived in San Antonio and would drive up to 281 to Fort Hood or South Dakota. Horsshoe Bay etc.....
5th Wheeling
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Recommending VQAA7S2 for your VQAA6S2 box is perfectly fine. It's exactly the same concept as using VRAA6S3 (PMT1) for just about every 99.5-01 automatic pickup being in this case you're substituting VLB2 for VLB1.
The stalling when switching MAY have been a one-time deal because it has been known to happen with each type of chip hardware out there from time to time provided you used the same .hex code (which you said you did) with each position. Stalling when switching on a regular basis is a sure sign of mixed calibration codes. The intermittent stall while switching is usually experienced when the ROM fetch commands from the processor are interrupted during the switch. The PCM throws its hands in the air and says, "WTF?!?" It happens. Most times, though, the data being requested isn't interrupted mid-byte.
As for the idle speed variations, there are a couple differences between the mapping of van calibrations and the pickup calibrations that can cause this issue and it's been going on since the beginning of time with them. It's fixable, but it requires just a little more effort than just changing the mapping for making power and shifting......which is not something usually done with tuning for the masses.
The stalling when switching MAY have been a one-time deal because it has been known to happen with each type of chip hardware out there from time to time provided you used the same .hex code (which you said you did) with each position. Stalling when switching on a regular basis is a sure sign of mixed calibration codes. The intermittent stall while switching is usually experienced when the ROM fetch commands from the processor are interrupted during the switch. The PCM throws its hands in the air and says, "WTF?!?" It happens. Most times, though, the data being requested isn't interrupted mid-byte.
As for the idle speed variations, there are a couple differences between the mapping of van calibrations and the pickup calibrations that can cause this issue and it's been going on since the beginning of time with them. It's fixable, but it requires just a little more effort than just changing the mapping for making power and shifting......which is not something usually done with tuning for the masses.
I tried to send you a PM but no go.
I inquired about the idle speed with PHP and was told they didn't change idle speed and shrugged me off. I got over it.
Recently ive been doing alot of high altitude trips, 7-9k feet. and ive been day dreaming about changing converter lockup and maybe some shift points (ive got a low stall converter and slightly larger than stock tires).
I came across this thread and your response intrigued me. If I am going to have some changes made it would be desirable to find a tuner that knows about the vans.
Are you a tuner? and if not could you recommend someone who has the knowledge to get my mapping and shifting right?
Thanks,
Aaron
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My PMs are off....too many people want free ****. Besides, if something can be learned by the community there is no sense in keeping information that might help others behind closed doors.
The cool thing about the van calibrations is that a lot of them do not apply the torque converter clutch in 3rd unless heavy on the accelerator pedal. They'll shift to 4th with a released torque converter during normal driving at 40-50 MPH but won't apply the torque converter clutch until 55-60. I use van transmission strategies in my Crown Vic (with a 7.3L) because, well, it never tows or works hard.
I used to do a lot of tuning; plenty of folks here running my garbage. I don't do much of it anymore as I got tired of staring at a computer screen and a whole bunch of numbers. I might consider it....what do you want to happen differently?
The cool thing about the van calibrations is that a lot of them do not apply the torque converter clutch in 3rd unless heavy on the accelerator pedal. They'll shift to 4th with a released torque converter during normal driving at 40-50 MPH but won't apply the torque converter clutch until 55-60. I use van transmission strategies in my Crown Vic (with a 7.3L) because, well, it never tows or works hard.
I used to do a lot of tuning; plenty of folks here running my garbage. I don't do much of it anymore as I got tired of staring at a computer screen and a whole bunch of numbers. I might consider it....what do you want to happen differently?
5th Wheeling
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My PMs are off....too many people want free ****. Besides, if something can be learned by the community there is no sense in keeping information that might help others behind closed doors.
The cool thing about the van calibrations is that a lot of them do not apply the torque converter clutch in 3rd unless heavy on the accelerator pedal. They'll shift to 4th with a released torque converter during normal driving at 40-50 MPH but won't apply the torque converter clutch until 55-60. I use van transmission strategies in my Crown Vic (with a 7.3L) because, well, it never tows or works hard.
I used to do a lot of tuning; plenty of folks here running my garbage. I don't do much of it anymore as I got tired of staring at a computer screen and a whole bunch of numbers. I might consider it....what do you want to happen differently?
The cool thing about the van calibrations is that a lot of them do not apply the torque converter clutch in 3rd unless heavy on the accelerator pedal. They'll shift to 4th with a released torque converter during normal driving at 40-50 MPH but won't apply the torque converter clutch until 55-60. I use van transmission strategies in my Crown Vic (with a 7.3L) because, well, it never tows or works hard.
I used to do a lot of tuning; plenty of folks here running my garbage. I don't do much of it anymore as I got tired of staring at a computer screen and a whole bunch of numbers. I might consider it....what do you want to happen differently?
my brother has a mercedes 280c that he and my dad put a 302 in. Full cage, 4 link quick change rear end, road race kinda deal, was a runner back to a project now. 15 years or so back when it was going together I joked about a 7.3 in it. He ended up also getting 99 f350 7.3 a few years back and has since moderately hot rodded it, turbo, hpop, injectors, larger ic etc.... I frequently remind him he could have had a 2 for one..... 730D LOL
My converter locks up at 55 exactly
I run the 80 or 100hp php tunes for modified transmissions (I've got a tugger kit in a fresh trans and 6.0/7.3 hybrid converter)
what I would really like to do is
1 fix the idle
2 raise the shift points and lockup points by 2 or 3 mph
4 i dont know if i can explain this right but i want to change the load setpoint that holds off upshifts. I want to have to be backed out of the throttle more for it to upshift if that makes sense.
Was about to address all this mechanically with a stage kc stage 1 instead of the laggy 1.15ar van turbo and a straight through muffler. Probably still will but that leaves the high idle.
Cargo Master
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From: Bottom Of Pikes Peak
I'm curious what your Idle is...PHP usually has the best idle out of any tune I have used. Not sure if the vans are different.
I had to have my tuning revised as I live at 6500' and I don't like the traditional shift strategies for my location. DP tuner makes high altitude tunes .
I had to have my tuning revised as I live at 6500' and I don't like the traditional shift strategies for my location. DP tuner makes high altitude tunes .
5th Wheeling
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I'm curious what your Idle is...PHP usually has the best idle out of any tune I have used. Not sure if the vans are different.
I had to have my tuning revised as I live at 6500' and I don't like the traditional shift strategies for my location. DP tuner makes high altitude tunes .
I had to have my tuning revised as I live at 6500' and I don't like the traditional shift strategies for my location. DP tuner makes high altitude tunes .
Its been a while since I had forscan on it but between stock and any tune its about 150rpm difference from memory
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5th Wheeling
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Yes completely.
Donaldson straight through muffler is in the mail though, and after I freshen up the front end the kc stage 1 is next. Nothing else, I mean maybe hpop, and 160/0 injectors if problems ever develop with my stock stuff.
Donaldson straight through muffler is in the mail though, and after I freshen up the front end the kc stage 1 is next. Nothing else, I mean maybe hpop, and 160/0 injectors if problems ever develop with my stock stuff.
Lead Driver
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From: Oologah, OK
Just a comment:
when I installed the Hydra kit,
it did NOT change the IDLE speed, period.
now, you can set a tune for High Idle, but you won't be driving around on that very well. you get unexpected results when you let off the skinny pedal.
when I installed the Hydra kit,
it did NOT change the IDLE speed, period.
now, you can set a tune for High Idle, but you won't be driving around on that very well. you get unexpected results when you let off the skinny pedal.
Cargo Master
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From: Bottom Of Pikes Peak
While i don't have stock injectors; my custom tunes have raised my idle and I let the tuner know. I don't know what they did to fix it. I'm not sure why he is seeing higher idle speeds on a stock van though.
Now I'm curious... @englertracing if you remove the chip, does the idle get better?
5th Wheeling
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I think the idle can be adjusted/ manipulated to a degree but is not common on typical tunes.
While i don't have stock injectors; my custom tunes have raised my idle and I let the tuner know. I don't know what they did to fix it. I'm not sure why he is seeing higher idle speeds on a stock van though.
Now I'm curious... @englertracing if you remove the chip, does the idle get better?
While i don't have stock injectors; my custom tunes have raised my idle and I let the tuner know. I don't know what they did to fix it. I'm not sure why he is seeing higher idle speeds on a stock van though.
Now I'm curious... @englertracing if you remove the chip, does the idle get better?
when I put it in any other tune it jumps up.
5th Wheeling
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what year and do you know your hex code?
Lead Driver
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From: Oologah, OK
and Position 1, is not usually 'stock', Position ZERO is stock as supplied by PHP.
but, if you have a Custom tune? all bets are off.
and yes, I have the Code pulled from the PCM.
Butt-Head
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No, position "00" is chip bypass - stock as programmed to the flash memory of the PCM.
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