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This is both my point and a problem, 6 lbs is a heavy trigger for a SA firearm, but not for a safetyless striker fired functionally DA carry weapon. A DA M9 for example is 13lbs, 10-12 is common for DA weapons. Yet 6 lbs is also on the heavy side for accurate shooting. Yes, I get your point, in many ways the holster is a Glocks manual safety, and of course keeping your booger hook off the bang switch. But stuff happens with a carry or truck gun that you just can't predict or plan for. A carry gun spends 99% of it's time being carried around not being used in self defense. Of the time it's used in self defense, maybe 80% of the time it's at most pointed and not fired. In that time so much can happen, why not make it as safe as possible. In a world where so many firearms are available that are DA/SA, decocker, manual safety, etc. why take the risk?
I can say without a doubt that if I carried a Glock I'd have gotten shot in 2008. I was attacked in a busy store by a retarded security guard who decided to attack me from behind and try and take my 1911 from my right hip. In the fight over control of the gun it was largely pointed at my hip and without a doubt would have gone off.
Do your thing it's your business but when the subject comes up I speak my piece. Too many new gun buyers buy Glocks cause it's what everyone has or whatever. We all have an interest in firearm safety and IMO only those who understand the risks of it should daily carry a Glock like weapon. That said, IMO in the time it takes to learn the skills associated with carrying a Glock safely the skill to operate a manual safety under stress can be learned and you end up in a much better condition.
I can say without a doubt that if I carried a Glock I'd have gotten shot in 2008. I was attacked in a busy store by a retarded security guard who decided to attack me from behind and try and take my 1911 from my right hip. In the fight over control of the gun it was largely pointed at my hip and without a doubt would have gone off.
Do your thing it's your business but when the subject comes up I speak my piece. Too many new gun buyers buy Glocks cause it's what everyone has or whatever. We all have an interest in firearm safety and IMO only those who understand the risks of it should daily carry a Glock like weapon. That said, IMO in the time it takes to learn the skills associated with carrying a Glock safely the skill to operate a manual safety under stress can be learned and you end up in a much better condition.
IMO any single action is not a great every day carry and I detest DA/SA for the inconsistent trigger pull. I respect people's decision of weapon, I just don't like or agree with the myths that Glocks (or other similar pistols) are not safe.
On a different note, what the &^%$ did a security guard try and grab your weapon for? I would love to here more about this. Glad more than ever I use a retention holster.
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I understand your points as well. While I find it funny a 1911 fan thinks a Glock has a light trigger
IMO any single action is not a great every day carry and I detest DA/SA for the inconsistent trigger pull. I respect people's decision of weapon, I just don't like or agree with the myths that Glocks (or other similar pistols) are not safe.
On a different note, what the &^%$ did a security guard try and grab your weapon for? I would love to here more about this. Glad more than ever I use a retention holster.
IMO any single action is not a great every day carry and I detest DA/SA for the inconsistent trigger pull. I respect people's decision of weapon, I just don't like or agree with the myths that Glocks (or other similar pistols) are not safe.
On a different note, what the &^%$ did a security guard try and grab your weapon for? I would love to here more about this. Glad more than ever I use a retention holster.
Why anti single action? I carried a DA/SA w/decocker(HK USP) for a while. Trigger inconsistency wasn't an issue for me, any time it was de-cocked and I wanted a SA trigger I just pulled the hammer back. I found the safety lever rather hard to use so I carried it safety off and de-cocked. I'll admit though I didn't like the take up.
I can't explain his actions, he was I assume an anti shoplifting guard(plain clothes) my gun had flashed from my jacket lifting while I reached and he attacked yelling "YOU CAN"T HAVE THAT"
Cause of that and other reasons I also buck another popular trend as a proponent of shoulder holsters.
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Take your 4lb 1911 locked and cocked and throw it on the ground. Better than a 80 percent chance it will fire. More so if he smith that worked on it did not know his stuff.. Toss a 2.5 lb ghost rocket glock and do the same throw. Zero chance of it firing. As a licensed 07 that works on 1911s i can tell you a glock is about a thousand times safer than a sa pistol. The design does not allow for the striker to fall unless cocked by the trigger first. Safety's are hard to operate under stress,muscle memory be damned. If my carry weapon is pulled I want no added motions to defend my life.
Don't even get me started on retention holsters. If you need one, you have no situational awareness and have no reason to carry. And they are the leading cause of self inflicted gunshot wounds. Look where your finge falls when you draw from your Sherpa.....right into the trigger guard. Imagine doing that under stress.
Don't even get me started on retention holsters. If you need one, you have no situational awareness and have no reason to carry. And they are the leading cause of self inflicted gunshot wounds. Look where your finge falls when you draw from your Sherpa.....right into the trigger guard. Imagine doing that under stress.
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Most actually do not. People deride them due to the negative effect on trigger pull.
Ranger, I don't use a Serpa. Lack of situational awareness is not the reason for a retention holster although I am sure people buy them to stop someone from sneaking up behind them like a ninja and snatching their Highpoint.
A good retention holster is fluid and natural and will keep your gun secure in a scuffle or if you are knocked to the ground. My index finger falls next to the holster on drawing no matter what design I use. The NGs due to Serpa holsters are documented but I believe over hyped and in fact is not a design flaw but a training issue. Nevertheless I don't like them.
No one can draw before a dude within arms reach can knock your butt to the floor. Your Glock skittering along the floor in a volatile situation is a scary thought. As is a fellow who wants to roll you around on the ground after sucker punching you. I realize there are great non retention styles and I don't have anything against them. Again, different strokes.
Your assessment of single actions mirrors my own thoughts.
We probably need to get back to OBS Fords
Ranger, I don't use a Serpa. Lack of situational awareness is not the reason for a retention holster although I am sure people buy them to stop someone from sneaking up behind them like a ninja and snatching their Highpoint.
A good retention holster is fluid and natural and will keep your gun secure in a scuffle or if you are knocked to the ground. My index finger falls next to the holster on drawing no matter what design I use. The NGs due to Serpa holsters are documented but I believe over hyped and in fact is not a design flaw but a training issue. Nevertheless I don't like them.
No one can draw before a dude within arms reach can knock your butt to the floor. Your Glock skittering along the floor in a volatile situation is a scary thought. As is a fellow who wants to roll you around on the ground after sucker punching you. I realize there are great non retention styles and I don't have anything against them. Again, different strokes.
Your assessment of single actions mirrors my own thoughts.
We probably need to get back to OBS Fords
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That would be a tough survey to take, but I still think most is a fair estimate. Certainly most sold in the last 20 years. That is anything Colt Series 80 based, S&W, Para, Sig, Taurus, etc. and all Kimber Series II. I think it's fair to say that's a fast majority of all 1911s made in the last 20-30 years. Yes people complain about the series 70 trigger, and competition 1911s of course don't in order to accomplish the better trigger. Of course the Kimbers don't have that issue as the block is de-activated by the grip safety not the trigger.
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I like my cheap hi-point, in my cheap OBS, with my cheap bolt in tool box and my cheap Chinese floor Jack, my best choice of gear in the truck is my jumper cables, and tow strap. Why you may ask...cuz that's what gets used the most. And a good pair of leather gloves to protect my girlie hands
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I thought this might turn to a disgunsion, I almost took it there myself. What's best to carry depends on the location and the threat...or threats....
There aren't too many instances, that I'd be in, where I wouldn't prefer to have my 1911 as a side arm.
There aren't too many instances, that I'd be in, where I wouldn't prefer to have my 1911 as a side arm.
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I like my cheap hi-point, in my cheap OBS, with my cheap bolt in tool box and my cheap Chinese floor Jack, my best choice of gear in the truck is my jumper cables, and tow strap. Why you may ask...cuz that's what gets used the most. And a good pair of leather gloves to protect my girlie hands
I think we've gotten off-topic a bit. I enjoy a good "What are you carrying and why?" discussion, but perhaps, IMHO, that discussion belongs in its own thread.
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Actually enjoying the thread hijack; reminds me of how much more I'd like to learn about this subject. Hijack on....
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I enjoy learning about the subject, too. It it were copied to another thread, the information might be better presented. That's my two cents worth. Either way, I'm not the OP, so my opinion on the hijack doesn't matter.
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I'm actually really REALLY happy with my Chinese HF floor jack.
Floor Jack With Rapid Pump®, 2.5 Ton Heavy Duty Steel
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BruteFord, I have enjoyed talking about this stuff with you. Even though we disagree on the tool we have a lot in common in the concept. I love the 1911 pattern pistols and think a crisply tuned trigger on one is a true joy to shoot.
Part of being prepared in this ever increasingly dangerous world includes self protection. Learning to fight, learning to be aware and learning what weapon clicks with us is all a part of that.
I am happy when anyone takes that natural right of self (and family and property) defense seriously. Good shooting and stay safe.
Part of being prepared in this ever increasingly dangerous world includes self protection. Learning to fight, learning to be aware and learning what weapon clicks with us is all a part of that.
I am happy when anyone takes that natural right of self (and family and property) defense seriously. Good shooting and stay safe.