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The idea of TWO turbos in the EcoBoost concerns me where I live.
Deep into the desert of Baja Mexico.......700 miles from the border at San Diego.
I just can't pop over to a dealer for any service and having a complicated and sophisticated EcoBoost worries me a bit.
I don't tow much and then only with a 6x10 enclosed cargo trailer that hauls a quad. Maybe 1500# total.
There will be a lightweight popup truck camper sitting on this truck most of the time. Dry weight is 900#.
Rock solid reliability (oxymoron) is more important to me than towing power and a couple of MPG's either way.
There are some good mechanics here and they know EFI. However I seriously doubt they know much about a twin turbo setup.
Since I have recently gotten stuck in sand twice, I want to trade my 2010 F-150 2 wheel drive for a 2014 F-150 4x4.
I am a frequent camper on desolate beaches down here...lots of sand.
On my dealers lot right now is a new 2014 STX 4x4 with a 5.0 engine and a new 2014 XLT 4x4 with the EcoBoost.
The STX is about $2000K less than the XLT. The price is not so much of a concern and the only decision I have to make is.....5.0 vs Ecoboost.
What say you?
Deep into the desert of Baja Mexico.......700 miles from the border at San Diego.
I just can't pop over to a dealer for any service and having a complicated and sophisticated EcoBoost worries me a bit.
I don't tow much and then only with a 6x10 enclosed cargo trailer that hauls a quad. Maybe 1500# total.
There will be a lightweight popup truck camper sitting on this truck most of the time. Dry weight is 900#.
Rock solid reliability (oxymoron) is more important to me than towing power and a couple of MPG's either way.
There are some good mechanics here and they know EFI. However I seriously doubt they know much about a twin turbo setup.
Since I have recently gotten stuck in sand twice, I want to trade my 2010 F-150 2 wheel drive for a 2014 F-150 4x4.
I am a frequent camper on desolate beaches down here...lots of sand.
On my dealers lot right now is a new 2014 STX 4x4 with a 5.0 engine and a new 2014 XLT 4x4 with the EcoBoost.
The STX is about $2000K less than the XLT. The price is not so much of a concern and the only decision I have to make is.....5.0 vs Ecoboost.
What say you?
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A fluke can happen to any engine anywhere. Either way you're good to go. However, you being worried about turbo failure is a bit misguided. Turbos are mechanical and easy to change. Diagnosing electronic / electrical issues would be my concern on any new or newer engine.
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I'd hardly say you're misguided. The EB engine puts out a lot more power then
the 5.0, however, if you don't need it, why pay more for it. The 5.0 does great.
Sorta like 4WD. If you don't need it, don't buy it.
As far as turbo reliability, I've talked to several Ford service depts. and asked
about turbo reliability in the diesel pickups. Their answer is that they feel they'll last as long as the engine, and they've seen few failures.
My next question has been, why wouldn't the turbos on the EB have the same
degree of reliability? Their answer has been they should be just as reliable.
Maybe true, maybe the company answer.
On dealer said he's fixed turbos on two EBs in these 4 years. One was a defect in a nearly new truck. The other from from an EB F150 truck that was towing 20,000 lb. trailers routinely up
I-80 from Salt Lake City to the Park City area, in the middle of summer (90 degrees+).
That's going from 4000', to the pass which is 7000' in 10 miles. He admitted he
was overloaded and knew he was over stressing the engine, and the turbos failed from oil overheating, according to the service manager.
Do you own homework to satisfy yourself. Adios
the 5.0, however, if you don't need it, why pay more for it. The 5.0 does great.
Sorta like 4WD. If you don't need it, don't buy it.
As far as turbo reliability, I've talked to several Ford service depts. and asked
about turbo reliability in the diesel pickups. Their answer is that they feel they'll last as long as the engine, and they've seen few failures.
My next question has been, why wouldn't the turbos on the EB have the same
degree of reliability? Their answer has been they should be just as reliable.
Maybe true, maybe the company answer.
On dealer said he's fixed turbos on two EBs in these 4 years. One was a defect in a nearly new truck. The other from from an EB F150 truck that was towing 20,000 lb. trailers routinely up
I-80 from Salt Lake City to the Park City area, in the middle of summer (90 degrees+).
That's going from 4000', to the pass which is 7000' in 10 miles. He admitted he
was overloaded and knew he was over stressing the engine, and the turbos failed from oil overheating, according to the service manager.
Do you own homework to satisfy yourself. Adios
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I have been driving Turbo powered trucks for 12 yrs with no issues....
But if the OP is not comfortable with them, he should not get them.
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Marcortez. How do you feel about variable cam timing in the 5.0. Probably just as complex as a straight forward turbo charger.
Just having some fun at your expense I'm afraid to admit.
Just having some fun at your expense I'm afraid to admit.
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I got the 5.0, 4x4 for similar reasons. While I am closer to a dealer, the environments I get into are hot, sandy and dusty. Turbos don't like sand and grit.
I have been around turbos in both trucks and helicopters. When a turbocharged engine has a turbo system problem, it can get really ugly.
So if you don't need the turbo boost stick with a normally aspirated engine. My 5.0 does everything I want it to do and shoulld do fine as long as I keep oil and filters changed.
I have been around turbos in both trucks and helicopters. When a turbocharged engine has a turbo system problem, it can get really ugly.
So if you don't need the turbo boost stick with a normally aspirated engine. My 5.0 does everything I want it to do and shoulld do fine as long as I keep oil and filters changed.
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It sounds like you really don't NEED the Egoboost...so get the 5.0L. One thing i do have to say is that not getting a truck because of the possibility ofa turbo failure is a little crazy IMO. These turbos are water and oil cooled. If you kept a good air filter in the truck you shouldn't have any problems.
You can play the what if game with any vehicle regardless of motor. they all have issues here and there. I would say go drive them both and make your own decision. they are both great motors.
Good luck!
You can play the what if game with any vehicle regardless of motor. they all have issues here and there. I would say go drive them both and make your own decision. they are both great motors.
Good luck!
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I definitely think the OP would be better served with a 5.0L engine. Yes the EB has proven to be a very reliable engine, but there is a lot more that can go wrong on one. A failure in the air induction system would require a tow, whether that be a failed turbo, cracked plumbing, or damage to the CAC. The direct injection system, while also considered reliable, is relatively new and mechanics in the OP's location would be much better able to handle the conventional system on the 5.0L, the likes of which have been used for decades.
A failed cam phaser would set a trouble code and reduced power mode, but the engine would still get him home. Oh yeah, and the EcoBoost has four of them as well. A failed turbo may very well leave him stranded.
This is a no-brainer, get the 5.0. And THIS is coming from an extremely happy EcoBoost owner who won't consider any other engine in his next Ford. They're great engines, but definitely not the top choice in an austere environment.
This is a no-brainer, get the 5.0. And THIS is coming from an extremely happy EcoBoost owner who won't consider any other engine in his next Ford. They're great engines, but definitely not the top choice in an austere environment.
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Thanks for all your inputs.
I have opted for the Eco Boost.
I am a service knut and travel back to Las Vegas frequently, where this truck will get serviced at the dealer.
Definitely on or before recommended service intervals.
I have opted for the Eco Boost.
I am a service knut and travel back to Las Vegas frequently, where this truck will get serviced at the dealer.
Definitely on or before recommended service intervals.
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