Hydrogen generator install
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I'm installing a hydrogen generator on my 03 F-250 Super Duty with the 6.0. There is a trigger wire to turn the system on and off. They say to tie it in to the fuel pump relay. It needs to have power when the motor is running and no power when it's off. I've installed the unit in the bed so I can tie in anywhere. The wire is just a trigger so it will not have a very large draw. I'm just looking for suggestions on where to patch it in.
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I agree they have issues. I'm working on computer programers. The computer system is what's holding back a lot of advancements.
I guess it's a good thing I won't be on any military bases.
So where did you run the power for your units?
I guess it's a good thing I won't be on any military bases.
So where did you run the power for your units?
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No, not the computer system. It's physics that are holding back ALL of the advancements. You need to repeal the laws of physics to make this work.
It takes more energy to separate the hydrogen and oxygen than you can gain by burning them. That's a loss no matter how well you control the process.
It takes more energy to separate the hydrogen and oxygen than you can gain by burning them. That's a loss no matter how well you control the process.
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there are a couple of empty fuse spots on the forward edge of the engine compartment fuse box that can be triggered with a key. all oyu need is a fuse holder with an attached wire lead...they sell these at autozone....plug the fuse holder in...attached the wire to your device. just make sure you have the lead on the oppisite fuse prong that the power bus exist on...in other words...with the fuse out...you should get no power with key on...but with fuse in...you should.
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No, not the computer system. It's physics that are holding back ALL of the advancements. You need to repeal the laws of physics to make this work.
It takes more energy to separate the hydrogen and oxygen than you can gain by burning them. That's a loss no matter how well you control the process.
It takes more energy to separate the hydrogen and oxygen than you can gain by burning them. That's a loss no matter how well you control the process.
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there are a couple of empty fuse spots on the forward edge of the engine compartment fuse box that can be triggered with a key. all oyu need is a fuse holder with an attached wire lead...they sell these at autozone....plug the fuse holder in...attached the wire to your device. just make sure you have the lead on the oppisite fuse prong that the power bus exist on...in other words...with the fuse out...you should get no power with key on...but with fuse in...you should.
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It is simple physics. That would be true if I were going to run the vehicle solely on hydrogen. This is a hydrogen assist system. It uses unused power to produce a small amount of hydrogen gas. It is added to the diesel to burn more efficient and cleaner. The system does work. I've used it on a couple of other vehicles. I just wanted to be sure where the best place would be to tie in to on my truck. I didn't want to hack into it and hope for the best.
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This is the fallacy that is used to sell these systems. There is no such thing as unused power. The voltage regulator controls the alternator to produce exactly the power required at any instant. If you add a load, such as a hydrogen generator, the alternator produces more power, which increases the load it places on the engine. The engine has to produce more power to turn the alternator, which uses more fuel.
You are not going to get around the laws of physics just because you wish it works that way.
You are not going to get around the laws of physics just because you wish it works that way.
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Don't waste time
It is simple physics. That would be true if I were going to run the vehicle solely on hydrogen. This is a hydrogen assist system. It uses unused power to produce a small amount of hydrogen gas. It is added to the diesel to burn more efficient and cleaner. The system does work. I've used it on a couple of other vehicles. I just wanted to be sure where the best place would be to tie in to on my truck. I didn't want to hack into it and hope for the best.
The amount of hydrogen compared to the volume of air and diesel is to small to make a difference.
Running heavy electrical system will stress your alternators, which in turn burns more fuel and will cause a early demise of the alternator.
If really want to go down this road buy a tank of hydrogen and run a line into your intake. This will allow you to control the flow. Producing hydrogen in Mass quantities is cheaper the producing it on the fly.
The computer fuel system should also be adjusted for the amount of hydrogen.
If you really want to increase mileage and performance you should look at CNG solution. Those do work.
Save your money and time.
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This is the fallacy that is used to sell these systems. There is no such thing as unused power. The voltage regulator controls the alternator to produce exactly the power required at any instant. If you add a load, such as a hydrogen generator, the alternator produces more power, which increases the load it places on the engine. The engine has to produce more power to turn the alternator, which uses more fuel.
You are not going to get around the laws of physics just because you wish it works that way.
You are not going to get around the laws of physics just because you wish it works that way.
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No problem. Just explain how I got a 7mpg increase on my Saturn VUE and a 6mpg increase on my 99 chevy truck with a 6.0. These are the facts I've proven to myself. That's why I'm working on this system. I'm not asking you to purchase one. I don't care what you have read or what you believe. I just asked a simple question and wanted a simple answer. Why does everything have to develope into an argument. This is why I hate these forums. There is always someone wanting to work against everyone instead of helping.
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Good luck with that....
You might also put helium in the tires as well.. Makes the truck lighter and easier to move - requiring less power... Oh yeah and the fuel line magnets and turbulator intake...
It won't be long and you'll be manufacturing gas instead of burning it!
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Now for a dose of reality dear friend... There's no such thing as a free lunch, free puppy, free energy or perpetual motion.. Look into BTU content of hydrogen in comparison to gasoline.
A little tough to compare a liquid with a gas, but there are plenty of references on the www to get you started.
You might also put helium in the tires as well.. Makes the truck lighter and easier to move - requiring less power... Oh yeah and the fuel line magnets and turbulator intake...
It won't be long and you'll be manufacturing gas instead of burning it!
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Now for a dose of reality dear friend... There's no such thing as a free lunch, free puppy, free energy or perpetual motion.. Look into BTU content of hydrogen in comparison to gasoline.
A little tough to compare a liquid with a gas, but there are plenty of references on the www to get you started.