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Im hastely working away on my 1963 223ci three speed M100. The truck was not orignially equiped with a T86 overdrive transmission ... But, I desire one & have located what I think is a match. That is the reason for the post, I am not sure if it is a match & its a six hour drive to pull it out of a field car.
The vehicle is a 1951 ford car with a 'three on the tree & a cable operated overdrive, the overdrive does have a solinoid on on the side of the transmission'. This description by the owner sounds to me like it's the Borg/Warner I'm looking for.
Anyone with any wisdom to empart as to how this will go down for me? Im not seasoned with my wrench set for such jobs. I am equiped with some patience & the appropriate Ford shop manual.
Picture from a few days back. Box has now been primed.
Last edited by 1963mercury; Sep 29, 2014 at 09:27 PM.
Reason: Grammer & photo caption
There are multiple reasons why an OD from a 1951 car will not work in a 1963 truck.
For one thing, 1928/55 FoMoCo vehicles are 6V positive ground, 1956 and later are 12V negative ground. The only O/D electrical part that's the same is the kickdown switch.
Warner T-85N 3 speed O/D: 1965/71 F100.
Warner T-86 3 speed O/D: 1953/64 F100.
Is the O/D still installed in the car? Or has the car gone bye bye, and all that remains is the OD trans?
btw: The Styleside bed on your 1963 is from a 1964/66 F100/250 2WD or 1966 F100 4WD.
1961/63 Stylesides (non Uni's) used 1957/60 Styleside beds, as did 1964/65 F100/250 4WD's, 1964/66 F350's and 1966 F250 4WD's.
Ah! Thank you for the reply Bill. I am determined to make this overdrive work. I have read in the restoration book that there is a way to make the overdrive mechanically activated only.
I was plannig to use the clutch housing, gear box & overdrive from the 51' car to bolt up to my truck. Then I was planning to have a shop shorten the drive shaft.
I replaced my 1963 box with a 1964 styleside F250 box & took seven inches out of the front part of it to accomidate the shorter wheel base. Tne original box will become a trailer.
The OD is still in the car. Car is sitting out in field with many friends around it.
Can you tell me how you determined my box was not a 1964/66 F100 box?
I am determined to make this overdrive work. I have read in the restoration book that there is a way to make the overdrive mechanically activated only. The 1951's O/D solenoid and governor, both of which are mounted on the O/D unit are 6V .. Your truck is 12V
I was planning to use the clutch housing, gear box & overdrive from the '51 car to bolt up to my truck. What size engine does the 1951 have, Flathead V8 or 215 OHV I-6?
I replaced my 1963 box with a 1964 styleside F250 box & took seven inches out of the front part of it to accomodate the shorter wheel base. Tne original box will become a trailer.
The OD is still in the car. Car is sitting out in field with many friends around it.
Can you tell me how you determined my box was not a 1964/66 F100 box? I never said any such thing.
Originally Posted by 1963mercury
Bill initially responded stating the box was from a 2WD F250 along with a few other options.
He distinguished that it was not a typical 64-66 F100 style side. Again, I never said any such thing, read the post again.
SAME Styleside beds: 1964/66 F100/250 2WD - 1966 F100 4WD .. These beds were not installed on any 1961/63.
1961/63 Stylesides (non Uni's) used 1957/60 Styleside beds that were also installed on 1964/65 F100/250 4WD, 1964/66 F350, 1966 F250 4WD
Replacing the relay & solinoid to the 12V components makes me think I could convert it. Does someone know better? NumberDummy could I pick your brain for other issues that will come up for this conversion?
I apparently have the 118' wheel base extension housing.
** i just spoke to a gentlmen at Fifth Ave internet Garage & he has said the replacement of the solinoid & relay to the 12V model will indeed suffice to eliminate the 6V to 12V problem I'm facing.
