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An AOD, AODE, or a 4R70W. It needs to be built to handle the torque however.
You must already know that an OD auto trans requires a $600 bellhousing. Plus a $750+ controller for the AODE and 4R70W. No problem, right?
You must already know that an OD auto trans requires a $600 bellhousing. Plus a $750+ controller for the AODE and 4R70W. No problem, right?
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From: El Dorado, Arkansas
4R70W stock is rated for 700 Nm (516 ft-lb) of torque.
I'm not certain if the adapters are designed for both 4R70W bell housings (?). One version of the 4R70W has (3) starter bolt holes (this is designed to bolt up to a 4.6L engine). The other has (2) starter bolt holes in the bell housing (this is for a 'Windsor' block pattern). Not sure if it matters with an adapter but, is something to be aware of.
The 4R70W bell housing is integral to the case so, they do not swap between the two versions.
1998-2004 are better models than 1993-1997. Beyond 2002, there will be no hole in the extension housing for a mechanical speedometer cable.
I'm not certain if the adapters are designed for both 4R70W bell housings (?). One version of the 4R70W has (3) starter bolt holes (this is designed to bolt up to a 4.6L engine). The other has (2) starter bolt holes in the bell housing (this is for a 'Windsor' block pattern). Not sure if it matters with an adapter but, is something to be aware of.
The 4R70W bell housing is integral to the case so, they do not swap between the two versions.
1998-2004 are better models than 1993-1997. Beyond 2002, there will be no hole in the extension housing for a mechanical speedometer cable.
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From: NorCal
My reference to "built" generally applied to the AOD and AODE.
Info for 4R70W to an FE engine... Needs a Pro-fit Bellhousing.:
Performance Automatic - 4R70W Street Smart Packages
Performance Automatic - Pro Fit Bellhousings
http://www.performanceautomatic.com/...llation_82.pdf
Ka-ching! $7,600 for the package.
Info for 4R70W to an FE engine... Needs a Pro-fit Bellhousing.:
Performance Automatic - 4R70W Street Smart Packages
Performance Automatic - Pro Fit Bellhousings
http://www.performanceautomatic.com/...llation_82.pdf
Ka-ching! $7,600 for the package.
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For that price, just go buy another truck!
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Other options are to change the engine to a Windsor with the different versions of the AOD as mentioned but also the E4OD and electronic controller, or a 385 series (429 or 460) with an E4OD and electronic controller like a Baumann.
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From: Creedmoor, North Carolina
There is no Ford 4 spd auto that will direct bolt up to your FE block.
You can adapt but that is P R I C E Y.
John
You can adapt but that is P R I C E Y.
John
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As someone who just did a 4speed overdrive AOD conversion, I have this to say.
If your truck is not being used for long highway drives on a regular basis, has a high rear end gear ratio, or is only a weekend cruiser, stick with the 3speed C4/C6. It is a better performer, and its already working.
Although swapping an AOD behind a small block is very easy to do, the results aren't that impressive. I have considered pulling my AOD out and putting my C4 back in with some go fast pieces. Trying to Put one behind an FE, especially if only lightly used, would be pointless IMO.
If your truck is not being used for long highway drives on a regular basis, has a high rear end gear ratio, or is only a weekend cruiser, stick with the 3speed C4/C6. It is a better performer, and its already working.
Although swapping an AOD behind a small block is very easy to do, the results aren't that impressive. I have considered pulling my AOD out and putting my C4 back in with some go fast pieces. Trying to Put one behind an FE, especially if only lightly used, would be pointless IMO.
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From: El Dorado, Arkansas
I got my 4R70W from U-Pull-It for $138.00. This price included the transmission, stock converter, dipstick/tube, block plate and the stock transmission wiring harness.
This is the shift controller I have for my '98 4R70W.
The US Shift Transmission Control System
Shift controller (p/n USQ1) is $425.00. Controller wiring harness (p/n HPF2) is $160.00 for a combined total of $585.00.
I live a couple of hours from where PATC is located, in Bossier City, Louisiana. They don't seem to have a good reputation (according to reviews on the internet) for actual transmission builds but, I didn't mind buying just the parts from them.
Although I've rebuilt a Ford Top-Loader 4-spd and a T-5 5-spd manual, I've never rebuilt an automatic. However, I intend to rebuild the 4R70W myself. I spent around $750.00 for the Alto Red Eagle rebuild package and the 2,500 stall converter and they threw in an SFI-rated 50 oz flexplate. So, I have about $1,475.00 tied up in my transmission.
The transmission as it looked after I got home with it from Little Rock U-Pull-It.
After I pressure washed the grime off the 4R70W.
The holding fixture I made to make the rebuild process a little easier.
This is the shift controller I have for my '98 4R70W.
The US Shift Transmission Control System
Shift controller (p/n USQ1) is $425.00. Controller wiring harness (p/n HPF2) is $160.00 for a combined total of $585.00.
I live a couple of hours from where PATC is located, in Bossier City, Louisiana. They don't seem to have a good reputation (according to reviews on the internet) for actual transmission builds but, I didn't mind buying just the parts from them.
Although I've rebuilt a Ford Top-Loader 4-spd and a T-5 5-spd manual, I've never rebuilt an automatic. However, I intend to rebuild the 4R70W myself. I spent around $750.00 for the Alto Red Eagle rebuild package and the 2,500 stall converter and they threw in an SFI-rated 50 oz flexplate. So, I have about $1,475.00 tied up in my transmission.
The transmission as it looked after I got home with it from Little Rock U-Pull-It.
After I pressure washed the grime off the 4R70W.
The holding fixture I made to make the rebuild process a little easier.
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From: NorCal
However, the fun factor is immeasurable... and the lower road noise. .. but you know me, I'd rather row gears with five real gears than aa little-used granny gear and a 1:1 fourth at 2800 Rpm.