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Old Aug 21, 2014 | 06:57 PM
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Additionally if you want to be really trick and 100% sure in the future get a battery disconnect solenoid and the buzzer. Wire it so with the solenoid off power can only flow through the buzzer(connected to both posts of solenoid). So then when you turn the rig and thus the solenoid off if the buzzer sounds you have a draw.

I haven't tried the buzzer thing, just thought if it, I might add one though. I do have one of these in my rig though.
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Old Aug 21, 2014 | 06:58 PM
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I use a Fluke . Cheep meters can cause many headaches .....
 
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Old Aug 21, 2014 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by william_04_x
I haven't used the HF tester, but I personally don't like anything except a good DMM if series load testing sensitive electronics. The only reason is that the resistive value of a DMM is very low, which keeps the voltage at the upstream devices closer to battery voltage. Series resistors are voltage dividers. Anything placed in series of the tested circuit will have an affect on the voltage available to the other loads in the circuit. Test lights, and buzzers aren't huge resistors, but more than I'm comfortable with when placed in series with a PCM, or expensive radio head unit. My $.02, YMMV, TIFWIW.
You're too concerned about an issue that isn't an issue at all. You ever watch battery/system voltage during cranking/starting, Even the best system will go from 12.6 to 10 to 14 in a few seconds? Or notice, lights dim, radio stops, etc. PCMs, pricey radios, etc. are designed for large voltage variations, a buzzer in series will have no concernable effect.

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I use a Fluke . Cheep meters can cause many headaches .....
I'm not saying you have to go get a Fluke, I got an inexpensive one that looks a lot like the cheap HF one that I've had for many years and has been very dependable.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2014 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BruteFord
You're too concerned about an issue that isn't an issue at all. You ever watch battery/system voltage during cranking/starting, Even the best system will go from 12.6 to 10 to 14 in a few seconds? Or notice, lights dim, radio stops, etc. PCMs, pricey radios, etc. are designed for large voltage variations, a buzzer in series will have no concernable effect.
I won't agree with you in this type of troubleshooting. If you have the PCM circuit(300mA) isolated for testing, and place a 10W test light in series with a standing battery voltage of 12.5V, what is the voltage available to the PCM?

A test light in series with the entire load of the vehicle will be negligible, but when testing small, individual component loads, the numbers change drastically.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2014 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by william_04_x
A test light in series with the entire load of the vehicle will be negligible, but when testing small individual component load the numbers change drastically.
Uhm no, the opposite is true!

As for the first part, give me a min I'll do the math, it's just Ohms law.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2014 | 07:41 PM
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If you have the PCM circuit(300mA) isolated for testing, and place a 10W test light in series with a standing battery voltage of 12.5V, what is the voltage available to the PCM?
If my math and bulb spec assumptions are right then.

A 10W bulb has 15.876Ohms resistance.

That's a 4.76V drop, 12.5-4.76 = 7.74V
 
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Old Aug 21, 2014 | 07:55 PM
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The fuse panel is under the driver side dash, is there a way to not reset the computer when the door is opened or just pull the dome light fuse?
 
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Old Aug 21, 2014 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BruteFord
If my math and bulb spec assumptions are right then.

A 10W bulb has 15.876Ohms resistance.

That's a 4.76V drop, 12.5-4.76 = 7.74V
The location of the test light in the series circuit also has an effect. Add the fact that battery voltage may be <12.5V, and it doesn't get any better. Regardless of the way its calculated, I'd rather use a good DMM for this kind of testing, which has little or no resistance value. Its worth it to help protect the other assets to me.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2014 | 08:04 PM
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The fuse panel is under the driver side dash, is there a way to not reset the computer when the door is opened or just pull the dome light fuse?
I don't understand what you mean by the computer reset/dome light relation. You can pull then dome light fuse early on to keep the lights off while you proceed. Are you testing by yourself now?
 
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Old Aug 21, 2014 | 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by william_04_x
I don't understand what you mean by the computer reset/dome light relation. You can pull then dome light fuse early on to keep the lights off while you proceed. Are you testing by yourself now?
Ya its just me doing the testing
 
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Old Aug 21, 2014 | 08:32 PM
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Ya its just me doing the testing
To save time you can pull the fuses in organized groups, say 5 at a time, then go to the front and check. Take out the fuses for the constant loads in the first group. Then its a matter of finding the individual circuit(s) that are causing the problem. There's another load test to the alternator, but it gets saved for last, as it can be dangerous if you're not very careful.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2014 | 09:20 PM
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Thanks for all of the help so far, I'll be pulling fuses tomorrow morning.
 
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William, you need to visit Monterey and do the tourist thing so you can do some wiring on my truck for me!

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William, you need to visit Monterey and do the tourist thing so you can do some wiring on my truck for me!

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That may happen, Stewart. We've driven Seattle to San Jose, and L.A. to Baja. The only stretch of west coast shoreline we haven't hit is in your backyard. I will fill that gap, and don't be surprised if I end up at your door. I know where you live.
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