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Yeah, after my replacement of turbo intercooler, radiator and trans cooler (after the deer incident), my trans temp just driving 55mph was 210. Didn't sound right... I don't know that I ever saw 210 before the replacements when towing.... Fun. Back to the dealership.
It seems to run around the primary coolant loop temperature on my truck. Do these trucks have a heat exchanger between the coolant loop and the ATF loop?
I monitor mine pretty much all the time and my trans temp usually stays at 190 at any speed or grade when I am not towing. Towing, it usually stays at 190 on flat ground and goes up to maybe 195 on extended 6 percent grades. My engine oil temp varies much more dependent on conditions and ambient temps. Low 190's is typical when not towing and not going up steep grades. 200 to 220 is typical when going up steep grades and when towing. The highest engine oil temp I have seen is about 235. This was when towing 12,000 lbs up a 10 mile 6 percent grade in 90 + degree weather.
I monitor mine pretty much all the time and my trans temp usually stays at 190 at any speed or grade when I am not towing. Towing, it usually stays at 190 on flat ground and goes up to maybe 195 on extended 6 percent grades. My engine oil temp varies much more dependent on conditions and ambient temps. Low 190's is typical when not towing and not going up steep grades. 200 to 220 is typical when going up steep grades and when towing. The highest engine oil temp I have seen is about 235. This was when towing 12,000 lbs up a 10 mile 6 percent grade in 90 + degree weather.
Mike
Ditto... I did see my oil temp top out over 240 once while crossing the continental divide (almost 8k' MSL if I recall) on I-40 in 110 degree heat at 20K GCVW... into a 20mph headwind as well. It's the only time I've heard what sounded like a secondary coolant fan come on, or maybe it was the turbo as the truck downshifted going uphill & upwind. I had only owned the truck for about 3 weeks at that point, but it worried me a bit at the time. After cresting the summit, the temp quickly returned to the normal range.
It's probably the only time I've REALLY worked the truck as that was loaded up for a cross-country move from TN to CA. Normally I tow a ~9,000 lbs TT (loaded), so it's no where near maxing the truck's capacity.
192 here, normal Interstate empty driving, towing 11k+ in Texas, looking at 202-208 varying on the hills. Going to give it a real test in a month, headed to Colorado and over Monarch pass then up to Taylor Park, will see then some real numbers.
192 here, normal Interstate empty driving, towing 11k+ in Texas, looking at 202-208 varying on the hills. Going to give it a real test in a month, headed to Colorado and over Monarch pass then up to Taylor Park, will see then some real numbers.
That will be interesting. I will be heading over Monarch pass probably the 30th of June.
192 here, normal Interstate empty driving, towing 11k+ in Texas, looking at 202-208 varying on the hills. Going to give it a real test in a month, headed to Colorado and over Monarch pass then up to Taylor Park, will see then some real numbers.
Does this mean that the observations of other Superduty drivers are invalid?
When the OBD is telling you 180 on a 5R110, it is really running more than a few degrees warmer. I had an actual gauge in the test port on my 2006 and it always read more than what I would read off the OBD with AutoEnginuity. My 5R110 would very easily reach temperatures over 200 towing heavy loads in high ambient temps.
It seems to me that the 6.7/6R140 relies more on the engine coolant to control TFT than a big cooler in front of the radiator. TFT on the 6R140 remains pretty stable under most loads until the ECT starts to climb. The temperatures move upward together on a linear basis.
As far as why the increase in temperature, transmission fluids have improved in recent years and everybody seems to be running transmissions a little hotter for peak efficiency. Years ago people would start to panic when TFT reached 200 and now it seems to almost be the norm.
Why does the 6 speed run so much hotter than the 5 speed behind the 6.0? I've never gotten over 180 towing. Just curious.
You can ask the same question of why the engine in my '11 Mustang would run 210° during normal driving but my Town Car runs 190°. Just like engine cooling systems, modern transmissions are controlled by a thermostat. The 6R140 runs warmer because it's designed to.
Originally Posted by 720Deere
When the OBD is telling you 180 on a 5R110, it is really running more than a few degrees warmer. I had an actual gauge in the test port on my 2006 and it always read more than what I would read off the OBD with AutoEnginuity. My 5R110 would very easily reach temperatures over 200 towing heavy loads in high ambient temps.
I disagree. There is no single place to measure transmission temperature in a transmission, it can vary widely depending on where you place the probe. IIRC the factory temperature sending unit in the 5R110 is in the valve body.
Mark has said in the past that the maximum temperature for the outbound line to the cooler is 330°. Just did some searching around and found the post:
Originally Posted by Mark Kovalsky
Where are the trans temps being measured? That makes a HUGE difference in the max temps.
If you are measuring from the transmission's temp sender, you're fine at 230F for no more than 1/2 hour. If you have a sender in the pan or pressure test port, same thing.
If you have a sender in the line to the cooler, 230F is REALLY cool. Ford didn't have a max temp for that when I left there, but we were working on specifiying a max temp of....wait for it.....330F in the line to the cooler. ATF gets REALLY hot going to the cooler. Maybe that's why there is a cooler......
So you can't say that the transmission is really running warmer than the factory probe. It may have been at the location you were measuring the temperature though.
In gascan's case, if his truck was running much less before the deer incident with his cooling system messed with and now he is pushing 210 at highway speeds, something just doesn't seem right.