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Old Sep 15, 2015 | 05:03 AM
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Pull codes, do a smoke test for vacuum leaks. Clean MAF.
 
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Old Sep 15, 2015 | 10:22 AM
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Clean MAF.
Post# 13....the OP's truck does not have a MAF sensor.
 
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Old Sep 15, 2015 | 10:26 AM
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Could bad EVAP lines going from the throttle body to the canister cause this problem? They look old and brittle and might have some hairline cracks. I will replace all those for sure. All the other vacuum lines look real good.
You cannot trust a visual check of those vinyl vacuum tubes. They are 20 years old and well known to not age gracefully. The fact the vents cycle from vent to defrost under load is telling you have there is a vacuum leak. Replace all of them.

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Also, I just noticed the rubber hose from the oil tube to the air intake housing was kinked real bad.

And finally, there is something like an air diverter or something (between the throttle body and the coil) that has an air outlet that does not have a hose going to it. Is there supposed to be a hose? Does it go to the air intake houseing? I don't have the stock housing, the PO put a K&N system on. I was thinking about tee-ing that in with the hose coming from the oil tube to the air intake housing.
The piece you are referring to is part of the air injection system, it's supposed to be open to the atmosphere. Do not try teeing it into the PCV vent hose.
 
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Old Sep 15, 2015 | 10:27 AM
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<p>If the thing thinks it's lean, it's going to richen up the mix as far as it can.</p><p>That brings us back the the MAP sensor setup, which I believe uses throttle position and the MAP sensor to figure this out? Help me out here guys, it's been a while since I even opened the hood on a MAP-equipped vehicle <img alt="Evil Grin" src="https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/images/smilies2/evilgrin0007.gif" style="height:19px; width:21px" title="Evil Grin" /></p>
 
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Old Sep 15, 2015 | 02:14 PM
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MAP, TPS, ECT and IAT all come into play to determine the fuel needs.

No sense tossing a bunch of sensors at this until the obvious vacuum leak is resolved.
 
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Old Sep 15, 2015 | 02:23 PM
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<p>If there was a vacuum leak causing it to actually run lean, it wouldn't have such high HC and CO numbers.</p><p>It can't be both running rich (HC and CO) AND report lean condition from the O2 sensor at the same time.</p><p>Are there two O2 sensors and one bank is dumping gas, and the other side is running lean?</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
 
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Old Sep 15, 2015 | 03:32 PM
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The OP's truck has only one O2 sensor.

Since we already know the vents are cycling when accelerating that implies there is a vacuum leak in the intake system. Unmetered air is translated as a lean condition by the O2 sensor so the computer keeps dumping in fuel.
 
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Old Sep 15, 2015 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by rla2005
The OP's truck has only one O2 sensor.

Since we already know the vents are cycling when accelerating that implies there is a vacuum leak in the intake system. Unmetered air is translated as a lean condition by the O2 sensor so the computer keeps dumping in fuel.
Well that may depend on a few things.
I may of missed this but what engine and size?
My 1995 F250 with a 351 had 2 or 3 O2 sensors. It would test out as a bad sensor and replacing
then did nothing to solve that problem. Sadly I never fixed it do to totaling it shortly after that.



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Old Sep 15, 2015 | 10:15 PM
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Well that may depend on a few things.
I may of missed this but what engine and size?

The OP's truck has a 351 and is not MAF...therefore one O2 sensor.
 
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Old Sep 15, 2015 | 10:47 PM
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I Just measured the vacuum at the manifold at 19-20 during idle and a little higher at 2000 RPM. Does this mean I can assume my vacuum lines are good?

I pulled off the hose from the throttle body to the EVAP canister purge solenoid (this was brittle and cracked) and the vacuum dropped. Like I stated before, I will replace all the EVAP hoses but it didn't seem to affect the vacuum while it was connected.

What next?
 
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Old Sep 15, 2015 | 11:58 PM
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So I was just looking at the white line and noticed a rough texture...rubbed at it a little and it started to crumble. Looks like I will replace a section of this line!
 
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Old Sep 16, 2015 | 04:30 AM
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Having to think back to before 2000 and I am starting to
have some things come back. My truck did have 2 O2 sensors
and did not have Mass Air flow.





Now mind you the truck came down from Canada.
But I do recall replacing all 3 of the O2 sensors on that one do to the cost
and locations



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Old Sep 16, 2015 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by LCconvert
I Just measured the vacuum at the manifold at 19-20 during idle and a little higher at 2000 RPM. Does this mean I can assume my vacuum lines are good?
No



Originally Posted by LCconvert
I pulled off the hose from the throttle body to the EVAP canister purge solenoid (this was brittle and cracked) and the vacuum dropped. Like I stated before, I will replace all the EVAP hoses but it didn't seem to affect the vacuum while it was connected.

What next?
If the EVAP lines are cracked I can guarantee the other vacuum lines are cracked. Replace all of them.
 
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Old Sep 16, 2015 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Yahiko
Having to think back to before 2000 and I am starting to
have some things come back. My truck did have 2 O2 sensors
and did not have Mass Air flow.


Now mind you the truck came down from Canada.
But I do recall replacing all 3 of the O2 sensors on that one do to the cost
and locations



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Federal emission F250HD/F350 trucks in this era have one O2 sensor.


1995 F250HD/350 Engine Control w/MAP & 1 O2 Sensor
 
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Old Sep 16, 2015 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by rla2005
Federal emission F250HD/F350 trucks in this era have one O2 sensor.


1995 F250HD/350 Engine Control w/MAP & 1 O2 Sensor
It was NOT a US truck. It was from Canada.

It did have more than one.

However we are getting way off track here with this little debate.



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