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Old Apr 5, 2014 | 02:53 PM
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Well I got the list of repairs done to my truck this morning and the truck hasn't had the solenoid replaced according to Fords records so it looks like I may have to pony up for it. If anyone knows if it is possible to do myself and without reflashing the transmission please let me know. I have a diagram of the transmission plate that holds the solenoid but no experience working on transmissions.
 
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Old Apr 5, 2014 | 02:56 PM
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Reading that link you provided, sure looks like each solenoid has to be programmed???
 
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Old Apr 5, 2014 | 03:24 PM
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Looks to me like you only need to reprogram when replacing the entire valve body, replacing individual solenoids just requires putting the right solenoid in the right spot. A reprogram would be necessary if the new valve body doesn't match exactly to the one that comes out. Just my reading of it, not a trans expert.
 
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Old Apr 5, 2014 | 10:02 PM
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Can I reprogram/flash it myself if I have an H & S performance XRT Pro tuner? Could I use the tuner to save the factory tune then replace the solenoid and then reprogram in the factory tune or a performance tune?
 
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Old Apr 5, 2014 | 11:05 PM
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After more research I found this online:
FORD: 2011 F-Super Duty


ISSUE:
Some 2011 F-Super Duty vehicles equipped with 6.7L engines and 6R140 transmission may exhibit a 2-3 shift flare and/or malfunction indicator light (MIL) on with diagnostic trouble code (DTC) P0733 and/or delayed reverse engagement, with a build date on or before 4/11/2011. Symptoms may be more evident or seem worse after an extended soak.

ACTION:
Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition.

SERVICE PROCEDURE

Inspect vehicle build date.
If vehicle build date is on or before 11/19/2010, proceed to Step 2
If vehicle build date is between 11/20/2010 and 4/11/2011, solenoid replacement is not necessary, proceed to Step 3.
Replace the three (3) normally high solenoids. Refer to the Workshop Manual (WSM), Section 307-01B. Proceed to Step 3.
Remove solenoids in-vehicle, identify the service band required for LPC, C35R/SSB, C456/SSE solenoids. Do not remove the main control.
Reprogram the powertrain control module (PCM) and the transmission control module (TCM) to the latest calibration using IDS release 73.02 and higher. This new calibration is not included in the VCM 2011.5 DVD. Calibration files may also be obtained at Buy Motorcraft Parts Online | Official Motorcraft Auto Parts Site | FordParts.com.
NOTE: PLEASE ADVISE THE CUSTOMER THAT THIS VEHICLE IS EQUIPPED WITH AN ADAPTIVE TRANSMISSION SHIFT STRATEGY WHICH ALLOWS THE VEHICLE'S COMPUTER TO LEARN THE TRANSMISSION'S UNIQUE PARAMETERS AND IMPROVE SHIFT QUALITY. WHEN THE ADAPTIVE STRATEGY IS RESET, THE COMPUTER WILL BEGIN A RE-LEARNING PROCESS. THIS RE-LEARNING PROCESS MAY RESULT IN FIRMER THAN NORMAL UPSHIFTS AND DOWNSHIFTS FOR SEVERAL DAYS.

PART NUMBER PART NAME
BC3Z-7G383-K Solenoid-Band Number 2
BC3Z-7G383-L Solenoid-Band Number 3
BC3Z-7G383-M Solenoid-Band Number 4
BC3Z-7G383-N Solenoid-Band Number 5


WARRANTY STATUS:
Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage
IMPORTANT: Warranty coverage limits/policies are not altered by a TSB. Warranty coverage limits are determined by the identified causal part.

OPERATION DESCRIPTION TIME
110710A 2011 F-Super Duty 6.7L: Check DTCs, Reprogram The PCM And TCM (Do Not Use With Any Other Labor operations) 0.6 Hr.
110710B 2011 F-Super Duty 6.7L: Check DTCs, Replace Three Shift Solenoids, Reprogram The PCM And TCM (Do Not Use With Any Other Labor operations) 2.0 Hrs.

DEALER CODING
BASIC PART NO. CONDITION CODE
recal 04
 
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Old Apr 11, 2014 | 11:14 AM
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Speaking of Super Duty shifting problems
While driving around a corner at approximately 50 mph, my 2012 King Ranch Super Duty shifted from 5<sup>th</sup> or 6<sup>th</sup> gear to 1<sup>st</sup>causing wheel hoop, skidding and loss of control. Luckily I had no opposing traffic. I pulled over and then began a very slow acceleration, at just over 45 mph my vehicle again shifted back to first gear almost throwing me through the windshield. At this point codes showed on the dash. I’m sure whatever sensor caused this sudden down shift took out my transmission and caused unnecessary wear on the drive train. I drove back roads atless than 20 mph to the dealer fearing every second.
When reporting this safety issue to the the ford 1-800 number, I was not reassured by the comment that a trained mechanic willlook at it. I have purchased a new Diesel Super Duty every 2 or 3 years for the last twenty years and do not want to drive anything else. Anyone else have an issue like this?
 
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Old Apr 11, 2014 | 11:41 AM
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I have never had that happen but I've had a hard downshift happen several times. This is when I am slowing down slowly then right before I stop the transmission almost stalls then decides to shift to first. Like it was hung up in 5th or 4th gear then suddenly shifts to first. I know it's one of the solenids getting stuck which won't allow the transmission to downshift. Yours sounds like it's a programming issue. Once they reflash the transmission it will probably correct the problem. For how long who knows but good luck. I know the feeling when you pay that much for a truck it should perform flawlessly.
 
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by lkoss
...I pulled over and then began a very slow acceleration, at just over 45 mph my vehicle again shifted back to first gear...
Send me your info in a PM, lkoss; I want to see what I can do to help. In your message, be sure to include your full name, best daytime phone number, VIN, mileage, and servicing dealership so I can check out available options to assist.

Crystal
 
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 12:41 PM
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Well I finally got to talk to the dealer and they said they would do the TSB for the solenoids even tho the truck is tuned. what do I need to do to allow them to work on it? can it be put back to a stock setting with the H&S and still run without all the emissions junk so if they need to hook up the OBD port they can?
 
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 01:08 PM
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Running on stock tuning with emissions deleted is a no go. Even if you could make it to the dealer like that (you won't), they wouldn't touch it because the CEL would be on and of course create a multitude of codes that would need to be addressed before they could do anything else.
 
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 720Deere
Running on stock tuning with emissions deleted is a no go. Even if you could make it to the dealer like that (you won't), they wouldn't touch it because the CEL would be on and of course create a multitude of codes that would need to be addressed before they could do anything else.
I know you cant run it without the H&S hooked up, just wasn't sure if there was a way to change back to stock tuning with it still hooked up. does it even matter for the dealer to do the TSB with the chip on? just want some more info on how to let the dealer work on it without screwing things up and me end up with a dead truck...
 
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 02:34 PM
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If you take it in tuned, they will overwrite the H&S programming with the updated stock program and the whole CEL deal will kick in as soon as the truck is started. I'm not an expert on H&S, but just following the basics of flash tuning, your tuner would then need a full reset (unlock) like you are swapping it to a different vehicle.
 
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 720Deere
If you take it in tuned, they will overwrite the H&S programming with the updated stock program and the whole CEL deal will kick in as soon as the truck is started. I'm not an expert on H&S, but just following the basics of flash tuning, your tuner would then need a full reset (unlock) like you are swapping it to a different vehicle.
Pretty sure the H&S is VIN locked. Only basing this on a guy that borrowed my cable after coming back from the dealer where his computer was flashed. It was a Dodge and he then used his H&S to reflash the computer with the deletes. Had no issues doing the reflash.

I had my truck in for oil change and service under the maintenance plan today. I asked them to road test it to see if they could dupe the slow and harsh shifts but of course they didn't do it.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2014 | 07:34 AM
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So I just take it in, have them do the work and just hook it back up and download the tunes before starting the truck again...
 
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Old Apr 16, 2014 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Orangestanger
So I just take it in, have them do the work and just hook it back up and download the tunes before starting the truck again...
I would call H&S just to be sure, I'm only going from the one time I saw a Dodge guy reflash his ECM after the dealer updated it. He was told by H&S to just reflash back to the deleted tune. It did take a while to complete but then I have no idea how long it takes to do it anyway as I have yet to delete and flash my truck.
 
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