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Old Mar 18, 2014 | 12:59 PM
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stock springs or aftermarket.

Originally Posted by WE3ZS
I just checked out your pics, looks great! And you have enough room to run a little more tire and still squeeze into that garage!
Did your local spring shop use Ford springs or their replacements? just curious as we are having a conversation about differences between spring shop replacements vs Ford specs in another thread.
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No they used another brand not ford springs. It has a sticker on it with the brand but I will need to get that. He said it has the same specs and he was able to get all of the wheel wells measured to the same height. I need to get the measurements before the swap to see what the exact lift measurement was. I am thinking over 2 inches in front and less than that in the rear.
 
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Old Mar 18, 2014 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mjoyce
No they used another brand not ford springs. It has a sticker on it with the brand but I will need to get that. He said it has the same specs and he was able to get all of the wheel wells measured to the same height. I need to get the measurements before the swap to see what the exact lift measurement was. I am thinking over 2 inches in front and less than that in the rear.
You're probably right on with your guess. I used U code take-offs on mine and got a solid 1.75" on both sides. It's settled a little with the usual drivers side about 1/4-1/2" lower. That spring was a newer spring when it came off the other truck and I'd hoped it would keep the front level over time but not the case.

It took getting used to, not grabbing on for dear life for every bump that would slam the bump stops. My bump stops finally fell out. I guess they felt neglected.
 
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Old Mar 18, 2014 | 01:56 PM
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I was 1 1/2" low in the front and after 1 1/2" shackles in the rear of the front springs it is at 39" all around and dips/bumps are no longer feared. Shackles were $50. Your tires might be bigger than my 265's.
Hanger or shackles? And what brand, or where'd you get them? That's an option for me if I want to go another inch or so if and when I bring the back up a little. I'd like to get the back end up so it appears more level.
 
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Old Mar 18, 2014 | 03:09 PM
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Hanger or shackles? And what brand, or where'd you get them? That's an option for me if I want to go another inch or so if and when I bring the back up a little. I'd like to get the back end up so it appears more level.
Front shackles, ebay........all the same pretty much.
 
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Old Mar 24, 2014 | 02:53 PM
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Front shackles, ebay........all the same pretty much.

Did the 1.5" shackles give you a full 1.5" of lift? I'd like to get just a little more but I need to catch up with the rear which means I'd need about 2.5" for the rear if I go 1.5" in the front which looks good. But I think that's about the max I'd want to go using shackles only.

I just put Open Country AT2's in 305's on mine and that puts it looking good, and might even keep me from trimming a tad off of one of the mud flaps that gets kissed on hard turns.
 
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Old Mar 24, 2014 | 07:29 PM
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Did the 1.5" shackles give you a full 1.5" of lift? I'd like to get just a little more but I need to catch up with the rear which means I'd need about 2.5" for the rear if I go 1.5" in the front which looks good. But I think that's about the max I'd want to go using shackles only.

I just put Open Country AT2's in 305's on mine and that puts it looking good, and might even keep me from trimming a tad off of one of the mud flaps that gets kissed on hard turns.
It gave a full 1.5" and that is the max I would go on them since I don't want to run into any caster or other problems. Russ has 2.5" in his and says they are just fine.
They haven't sagged a bit since I put them in a year ago.
 
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Old Mar 24, 2014 | 08:00 PM
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My 2" shackles gave 1 7/8" lift. They've worked fine but my springs are negatively arched more than they were when I first put them so I'm ditching them for new springs.

Too bad because it was a much cheaper option than the springs
 
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Old Mar 24, 2014 | 09:55 PM
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My 2" shackles gave 1 7/8" lift. They've worked fine but my springs are negatively arched more than they were when I first put them so I'm ditching them for new springs.

Too bad because it was a much cheaper option than the springs
Now that's a big waste. They were negatively arched when they were new as many leaf springs are, also they haven't de-arched more but they just appear to be because you can see them more from the side of the truck. How is lowering the back of the spring going to de-arch it? Now you are going to spend more time and money just to get a rougher ride.
It sounds like you freaked out when you saw the springs hanging down but the truck doesn't know it or even care.........sshhhh don't tell it. My truck rides GREAT with the shackles and the springs haven't de-arched one bit from the day I put them in.

The front of the springs rose up half of what the rear went down and the truck rose above the axle also giving it the illusion of de-arching the spring but the arch hasn't changed one bit since the installation. Did I mention I love my stock springs?
 
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Old Mar 24, 2014 | 10:21 PM
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Lift measurements confirmed

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No they used another brand not ford springs. It has a sticker on it with the brand but I will need to get that. He said it has the same specs and he was able to get all of the wheel wells measured to the same height. I need to get the measurements before the swap to see what the exact lift measurement was. I am thinking over 2 inches in front and less than that in the rear.
The springs the Fort Worth champion spring installed in the front are Universal Group springs, They added a leaf or two to my stock springs in the rear I added pics of both to my public album. The lift in the front is 2.5 inches and the rear is 2.25 inches.
It still fits in the garage with two inches to spare. 7ft opening. Going to go with 18 inch wheels 285 65 18 which is a 32.5 inch tire in the Toyo open country. It should fit with an inch to spare.
 
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Old Mar 27, 2014 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jayjjcc
My 2" shackles gave 1 7/8" lift. They've worked fine but my springs are negatively arched more than they were when I first put them so I'm ditching them for new springs.
main reason you don't add shackles and just put new spring's on from the get go
 
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Old Mar 27, 2014 | 12:58 PM
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X and C code swap will get you a 2" lift bringing it to SD ride height.
 
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Old Mar 27, 2014 | 01:05 PM
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main reason you don't add shackles and just put new spring's on from the get go
Why? None of that is true. Did you read my post? ...........1/8" ?
 
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Old Mar 28, 2014 | 08:52 AM
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Now that's a big waste. They were negatively arched when they were new as many leaf springs are, also they haven't de-arched more but they just appear to be because you can see them more from the side of the truck. How is lowering the back of the spring going to de-arch it?
actually the springs have most likely de-arched more, stock the springs are de-arched and soft and hit the bump stops ever time. Now add in a lift shackle that raises the worn weak springs which gives them more room to flex add in x-miles and now the already weak worn spring sags further
 
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Old Mar 28, 2014 | 09:28 AM
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Springs are designed for a max deflection within their elastic limit. That's why the bumpstops are there, to ensure there is a limit. Longer shackles intalled wo lowering the stops results in travel beyond that range. They will fatigue and lose arch quicker that way. Basic metallurgy 101. These craptastic springs fatigue fast enough as is, overflexing them doesn't make them happy.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by WE3ZS
I just checked out your pics, looks great! And you have enough room to run a little more tire and still squeeze into that garage!
Did your local spring shop use Ford springs or their replacements? just curious as we are having a conversation about differences between spring shop replacements vs Ford specs in another thread.
Adding pics is easy, it must be if I can do it! You just need to setup a free account at photobucket or some other pic hosting site and then just copy and paste the IMG code for the desired pic into your post.
Glad to see another happy EX owner!
So as you know I had a shop do the v/b spring swap. I searched for a month looking at wheels new and old with spacers and without. After seeing your setup I went with it. Let me tell you finding these is easy but finding a decent price is very very hard. I bought from EBAY from 2 sellers that claimed one left. With shipping 160$ each wheel with scratches but nothing terrible. Everytime I bought another would appear until I had all four. Here is a pic of the OEM 18 inch wheels with Toyo Open Country ATII 285/65/18's. I need to test the tires more especially towing a big camper. 7 foot garage did the springs and wheels and tires and the rig still FITS! Big time SCORE I was sweating the fit the whole time. Very relieved I have like .5 inches of spare room. : )
 
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