223 oil filter ?
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223 oil filter ?
Changing the oil filter today, I was ready for a real battle trying to get the housing off, but tapped it gently w a 2x4 and it easily came loose. A lot of sludge in the housing. My question is...is there supposed to be something inside the hollow oil filter bolt or is there just so much crap in there that it just feels solid?
Trying to clean as best as possible before oil change. Had to use a piece of wire to clean the oil pan drain hole to get the oil to drain out, probably not an uncommon problem.
Trying to clean as best as possible before oil change. Had to use a piece of wire to clean the oil pan drain hole to get the oil to drain out, probably not an uncommon problem.
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"clean the oil pan drain hole to get the oil to drain out, probably not an uncommon problem. "
Not sure how common this problem is, but I know it's not a good problem!
If it were mine, I'd drop the pan and clean the sludge out. Also, a good excuse to put a new pan gasket in, which is almost certainly needed here.
As for the filter...I just convert them all to spin-ons for convenience, better filtration, and lower cost. PH-8's are cheap and common.
Best of luck, Mike
Not sure how common this problem is, but I know it's not a good problem!
If it were mine, I'd drop the pan and clean the sludge out. Also, a good excuse to put a new pan gasket in, which is almost certainly needed here.
As for the filter...I just convert them all to spin-ons for convenience, better filtration, and lower cost. PH-8's are cheap and common.
Best of luck, Mike
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Yeah I should have mentioned, I too had converted to a spin on.
With that much junk in the oil pan I second real550A's "Drop the pan" statement and add, you may also want to pull the valve cover to look at the conditions topside.
With that much junk in the oil pan I second real550A's "Drop the pan" statement and add, you may also want to pull the valve cover to look at the conditions topside.
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I would echo inspecting the oil pan. One bad results of the sludge would be to plug up the screen on the oil pump which in turn starves the engine of oil. The 223 has never been known for good oil circulation to the top side. There used to be a kit on the market that consisted of external oil lines to put more lubrication on the valve train.
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Thanks guys, I took your advice. I got about a cup of kind of crunchy residue and about a 3/4 cup of stuff that has the consistency of blue clay and did not want to be removed from the bottom of the pan. The underside of the crankcase looks pretty nasty too. Valve cover had already been removed and replaced with no effort to do any cleaning. Looks like I could scrape some of the big chunks carefully off the crankcase and clean the oil pickup, not sure if it's a good idea to do any cleaning topside as it might fall inside, your thoughts appreciated. I'm better w 2x4s than iron.
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Definitely clean the oil pickup and bottom end well. Your caution on the top end is warranted. Don't knock any chunks into the oil galleries in the head.
When you start running clean oil, add a dose of Sea Foam to the oil (amount is stated on the can). It will start cleaning the inside of the engine as you drive. Over the course of a few oil changes, things should get a lot better.
When you start running clean oil, add a dose of Sea Foam to the oil (amount is stated on the can). It will start cleaning the inside of the engine as you drive. Over the course of a few oil changes, things should get a lot better.
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If you are not going to do a serious clean on the head, you maybe could use a shop vac and catch the sticky chunks as you remove them. The most important may well be the two oil inlet tubes that bring the oil to the rocker shaft. They just lift out after you remove the bolt that holds their bracket down to the shaft. However, I would bet they will not lift out in this case as they will probably have taken root at this point. May take more effort than you would think. The seafoam suggestion is a good one, you need to get the sludge out of there is you plan on running it very much.
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The long tube that goes through the head and into the block is the feed line. The short one at the front is the overflow. I've never seen one with a hole.
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Doing it right means you pull the pan and clean it and the oil pick up. No idea about commercial products. We use to cleaned a few by filling with diesel fuel and letting it soak for a few days. Sometimes it takes several repeated flushings. But regardless what you use you will have no way of knowing if the oil pickup is clean enough.
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[QUOTE=The most important may well be the two oil inlet tubes that bring the oil to the rocker shaft. They just lift out after you remove the bolt that holds their bracket down to the shaft. However, I would bet they will not lift out in this case as they will probably have taken root at this point. May take more effort than you would think.[/QUOTE]
Cleaned the pan, oil pump, valve cover and carefully scraped as much goo out of the head as possible. I tried to pull the oil inlet tubes, but as you thought they have roots all the way to the crankcase. I twisted and pull the rear tube for a half hour with no luck about all. I realized that the hole in the front tube must have been caused by the filler cap rubbing on it. Is the front line an oil return line? If so then wondering about the need to repair, and then how to do it. Also took the chance to adjust the valves, several had no clearance at all. Worn cam?
Cleaned the pan, oil pump, valve cover and carefully scraped as much goo out of the head as possible. I tried to pull the oil inlet tubes, but as you thought they have roots all the way to the crankcase. I twisted and pull the rear tube for a half hour with no luck about all. I realized that the hole in the front tube must have been caused by the filler cap rubbing on it. Is the front line an oil return line? If so then wondering about the need to repair, and then how to do it. Also took the chance to adjust the valves, several had no clearance at all. Worn cam?
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Cleaned the pan, oil pump, valve cover and carefully scraped as much goo out of the head as possible. I tried to pull the oil inlet tubes, but as you thought they have roots all the way to the crankcase. I twisted and pull the rear tube for a half hour with no luck about all. I realized that the hole in the front tube must have been caused by the filler cap rubbing on it. Is the front line an oil return line? If so then wondering about the need to repair, and then how to do it. Also took the chance to adjust the valves, several had no clearance at all. Worn cam?