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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 09:20 PM
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Cold start issue

Since the cold weather hit I've had issues with my 7.3 (150k miles ) starting. In temperatures below 34 the truck would basically not start unless plugged in or I tried to start it numerous times. It would smoke a lot for a minute or 2 and then would be fine. About 2 weeks ago I replaced all the glow plugs and the truck starts much better. It doesn't smoke anymore after starting but it still is difficult to start. Today it was 45 degrees and it will turn over, start to run but will die unless I keep my foot on the gas for about 5 seconds then it runs fine (will start with temps under 34). I tested my glow plug relay and with key off it measures 12 volts, with key on it measures 10 volts. I just tested all glow plugs and they measure about 1.5 ohms. Could I assume that my glow plug is going bad or should I just deal with it. I know this shouldn't happen around 45 degrees air temp. Thanks
 
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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 10:06 PM
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This sounds like an oil delivery problem to me. Start by checking the oil level in the HPOP reservoir before cranking. It should be less than 1" from the top.

Does it only start hard like that first thing in the morning?
 
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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 10:12 PM
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Yeah first thing in the morning. Any other time it starts right up.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 10:15 PM
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You running Dino or synthetic
 
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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 10:19 PM
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I'm using Delo 400, this last oil change I put in 2 quarts of hot shots secret stiction eliminator as well.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 10:40 PM
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Would it make a huge difference if it's parked facing downhill on a slight decline of the driveway when I check the HPOP level?
 
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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 11:07 PM
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Oh no you put "snake oil" in your oil All kidding aside, oil additives for a 7.3 is never a good, or required, practices but that is JMHO. I am sure others will be along shortly to give you grief for that one. Facing up or down on the driveway at a slight angle should not make a difference. Many folks run Dino in the warmer months and switch over to synthetic when it gets cold but I live in a hot climate and run synthetic all year around.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 11:12 PM
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I'd start by replacing the relay. You replaced the glow plugs so I would now do the relay. Its easy and cheap enough.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 11:16 PM
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So with my glow plug relay reading 10 volts with key on that means it's bad? I'd rather not spend $75 for a new relay just to see if that's the problem
 
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 05:37 AM
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Hot Shots is a product for the stiction in the 6.0L injectors. While I've heard this does no good for the 7.3L injectors, I haven't heard of anything bad. That being said... plenty of mysterious no-starts out there.

The last link in my signature will give you some help... give it a click.
 
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 09:22 AM
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Checked the HPOP level and it's no lower than an inch from the top, I'll check some other things from the link Tugly gave me and report back this afternoon.
 
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 09:29 AM
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So with my glow plug relay reading 10 volts with key on that means it's bad? I'd rather not spend $75 for a new relay just to see if that's the problem
With the key on and the glow plugs energized, take voltage readings at both large lugs on the GPR. There should be minimal difference between the two. If the outer lug reads 12 and the inner reads 10, it's probably time for a GPR. If the reading at both lugs drops to 10, it could indicate a bad connection somewhere before the GPR (battery terminal perhaps), or weak batteries.
 
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Tugly
Hot Shots is a product for the stiction in the 6.0L injectors. While I've heard this does no good for the 7.3L injectors, I haven't heard of anything bad. That being said... plenty of mysterious no-starts out there.

The last link in my signature will give you some help... give it a click.
When you finish with Rich's troubleshooting thread, if you are up for some "lite" reading, you could click the cold start link in my signature. I recommend that you make a big bucket of popcorn and sit in your most comfy chair. I am not going to lie, it is a thriller, you'll laugh, you'll cry, I won't spoil the ending, but you will learn a lot about cold starts issues.

I am in a strange mood today...
 
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 05:36 PM
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Ok so using my scangauge 2 I came up with some data. Temp today is about 56 degrees, truck started fine no smoke. Volts with KOEO was 10.9-11.0 and IPR was 14.9. At idle ICP was 911-840, FIPW was 2.65-2.49 and IPR was 19.6-18.4. Variation in numbers was within about 15 seconds of trying to write everything down.
 
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 07:42 PM
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Icp is high, it should be around 500 but that is with a warmed up truck. If it was cold, that is normal.
 
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