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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 06:06 PM
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pos or neg ground?

This may be a silly question, but is there an easy way to tell if my truck is positive or negative ground? The battery has been disconnected so I can't just check the original connections. 226 flathead 6 1950 F4
 
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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 06:13 PM
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Stock would be 6v pos ground. One way to tell is by determining if it has a generator or alternator. Typically if it's a generator, odds are it was never "modified" to 12v neg ground and alternator. generator will probably be as dirty and old looking as the engine itself. This would typically be the quickest way to tell.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 06:25 PM
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Another possible way, but this isn't a guarantee, is the color of the battery cables, if you still have them on the ground to the engine and to the starter solenoid. Red going to the engine ground is positive, black going to the starter solenoid is negative. Most likely the ground is a bare conductor strap without insulation. Over the last 60+ years the cables probably were changed out and whatever was available was used.

Once you get the battery reconnected you will probably have to repolarize the regulator. Do a search of FTE to find all of the posts dealing with polarizing the regulator.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 06:29 PM
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Check the fit of each cable on the battery posts to tell how it was hooked. The positive post is larger than the negative post. The cable ends would fit the way it was hooked up.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 06:34 PM
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Look at the coil. If the positive terminal of the coil is connected to the distributor wire, it's PROBABLY still 6 volt positive ground. Also a lack of voltage regulators and all that jazz under the hood and under the dash would speak for it still being 6 volt.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 06:47 PM
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Also a lack of voltage regulators and all that jazz under the hood and under the dash would speak for it still being 6 volt.
Not sure you meant this. The stock 6v setup has a firewall mounted voltage regulator.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 06:49 PM
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It has a 12v battery. Then it goes to a ballast resistor to get the 6v. I do not know which parts have been converted to 12v. I am definitely going to have to rewire it. I was wondering if I was turning the engine over backwards if I have the wrong side as ground.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 06:52 PM
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It has solenoid and voltage regulator on the firewall. Again, I do not know how much was changed over the years.
 
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It has a 12v battery. Then it goes to a ballast resistor to get the 6v. I do not know which parts have been converted to 12v. I am definitely going to have to rewire it. I was wondering if I was turning the engine over backwards if I have the wrong side as ground.
No matter which polarity your truck is set up with the starter will spin only one direction. I had my F-2 running on 12 volt negative ground for a while way back. 12 volt won't hurt the starter either as long as you don't crank away on it for extended periods of time.
 
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Can you tell if a generator or alternator? Pics can lets us help ID.
 
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The voltage regulators I think Doc is referring to are voltage drop resistors they have to be installed in line before items like heater motor and gauges. Most likely the dash, headlight and taillight bulbs were switched to 12 volt bulbs, it's the easiest way to go with light bulbs.
 
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I will take some pictures and try to post them this week. Thanks
 
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Originally Posted by FortyNiner
Not sure you meant this. The stock 6v setup has a firewall mounted voltage regulator.
Sorry. I meant voltage resistors like Bob said. Too many distractions.
 
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 11:20 AM
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Look at the coil. See where the + and - wires go to. Post that or a pic. Is it now 12 V?
The way the coil is wired will tell you for sure how it was the last time it ran.
 
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There are now 6v pos ground alternators. I have one in my 52.
 
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