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Steve - don't forget the BAL ACCUSLIDE and usually a BR slide - and it's mass (mess?) of cables that like to break and are all in the slde assembly. If one or more of those cables are broken, it wont move.
Good point. I have limited experience with them as they are not commonly used. They do get a plus from me for having good tech support.
I do regard the new Schiwnteks with the little track top and bottom on each slide with those itty-bitty motors to be potentially even more problematic. When they were first introduced, I never saw one that was working as designed. Keeping two motors working together while they run slides? Right! At least it is easy to disengage the motors.
Good point. I have limited experience with them as they are not commonly used. They do get a plus from me for having good tech support.
I do regard the new Schiwnteks with the little track top and bottom on each slide with those itty-bitty motors to be potentially even more problematic. When they were first introduced, I never saw one that was working as designed. Keeping two motors working together while they run slides? Right! At least it is easy to disengage the motors.
My thoughts,
Steve
I saw a couple of those type of slides this last week. Wondered if they were any good. Guess you answered that.
Good point. I have limited experience with them as they are not commonly used. They do get a plus from me for having good tech support.
I do regard the new Schiwnteks with the little track top and bottom on each slide with those itty-bitty motors to be potentially even more problematic. When they were first introduced, I never saw one that was working as designed. Keeping two motors working together while they run slides? Right! At least it is easy to disengage the motors.
My thoughts,
Steve
Surprised you haven't seen more of the Accuslides. Our Titanium has one and several of the upper level motor home that have been in the CG we usually stay in have had them. You do learn that you need to carry at least one spare cable with you though along with a couple of small cable clamps instead of the crimp on fittings - and something this discussion has reminded me about is that I 'borrowed' the clamps out of my repair kit.
Surprised you haven't seen more of the Accuslides. Our Titanium has one and several of the upper level motor home that have been in the CG we usually stay in have had them. You do learn that you need to carry at least one spare cable with you though along with a couple of small cable clamps instead of the crimp on fittings - and something this discussion has reminded me about is that I 'borrowed' the clamps out of my repair kit.
They are out there, but not widely employed by manufacturers. Not downing them, but the cabling is an added complexity and it strikes me the advantage of these, as with the Schwinteks was all manufacturer rather than end-user.
Having reread the OP's post, as I should have done in the beginning (I was off the last ten days and read this one quickly when I got back), it sounds like everything is under the bed, which makes it the easiest of the slide scenarios with which to troubleshoot. If you have a meter, just put your two probes on the motor leads while you have your assistant (wife) push the switch.
You can also just disconnect the leads at the motor and use a booster pack to try the motor. Often I can actually sit inside the bed frame as you only have to move the slide a couple of inches to verify everything is working. Sometimes it is easier to use a booster pack than a meter to ensure you have a fully charged battery right there with the fused lead rather than use a meter. A meter will work just fine to read incoming voltage to the motor.
I can't tell from the post for sure, but it sounds like the OP has the independent relay boards and if there is no power at the motor, that would be the most likely suspect, usually the slow blow fuse at the top of the board, otherwise a loose connection somewhere between the board and the motor. Once in a while I do have to replace the board and carry a spare on my truck for those times. Sometimes there is also more than one fuse for the slide, so if the power has gone away, think fuses first. The individual five pin relays (if that is what is there) almost never mess up. I replace at most one a year.
Sorry for the less the stellar first read.
Steve
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Not to worry Steve !!! I'd rep ya, but again the daft thanks system only allows me to say thanks to you once in a blue moon - even though you continuously help people !
Not to worry Steve !!! I'd rep ya, but again the daft thanks system only allows me to say thanks to you once in a blue moon - even though you continuously help people !
Having reread the OP's post, as I should have done in the beginning (I was off the last ten days and read this one quickly when I got back), it sounds like everything is under the bed, which makes it the easiest of the slide scenarios with which to troubleshoot. If you have a meter, just put your two probes on the motor leads while you have your assistant (wife) push the switch.
You can also just disconnect the leads at the motor and use a booster pack to try the motor. Often I can actually sit inside the bed frame as you only have to move the slide a couple of inches to verify everything is working. Sometimes it is easier to use a booster pack than a meter to ensure you have a fully charged battery right there with the fused lead rather than use a meter. A meter will work just fine to read incoming voltage to the motor.
I can't tell from the post for sure, but it sounds like the OP has the independent relay boards and if there is no power at the motor, that would be the most likely suspect, usually the slow blow fuse at the top of the board, otherwise a loose connection somewhere between the board and the motor. Once in a while I do have to replace the board and carry a spare on my truck for those times. Sometimes there is also more than one fuse for the slide, so if the power has gone away, think fuses first. The individual five pin relays (if that is what is there) almost never mess up. I replace at most one a year.
Sorry for the less the stellar first read.
Steve
Yes, it's the individual five or six prong relays that I replaced. I didn't see any other board underneath the bed or in the cabinet where the relays were. It's a 2001 Coachmen Royal 326RLS. I need to dig deeper into it either this week or next week. Not leaving the thread hanging. Thanks for all of the insight and I promise to update it.
Yes, it's the individual five or six prong relays that I replaced. I didn't see any other board underneath the bed or in the cabinet where the relays were. It's a 2001 Coachmen Royal 326RLS. I need to dig deeper into it either this week or next week. Not leaving the thread hanging. Thanks for all of the insight and I promise to update it.
Okay, I think I am on the same page. By my recall, Coachmen is the only manufacturer I can think of that has used that set-up, but are there not several relays there? I am thinking they used two for each slide, so with two slides there were four relays, but I have only worked on that system a couple of times as it is an odd one. I think this is the one where the relay set-up drove me nuts because I had to reach into a cabinet to put a meter on the relays.
If you can, see if you can identify the power in and the leads to the motor as the relays there reverse the polarity in addition to powering the motor, if I recalling correctly.
Just remembered Holiday Rambler uses that same setup in some of their motor homes with all the relays on the same board. When I suspect a relay problem, I try simply swapping relays first from one to the other and once in a while, that is all it takes to clear up a contact problem. And, of course, you can always swap out the relay set-up for a Power Gear board or, if you don't mind the appearance use an Atwood switch like is on the landing gear as those are super simple and very robust.
Wish you were closer as those kinds of problems are more interesting and fun to solve.
I apologize for thread jacking. However, I have not had an opportunity to read a post as of yet regarding the AC Slides, which I now have. OP I hope you get this sorted.
I just purchased a Keystone Bullet Premier with these slides. The Tech's at CW said their knowledge was limited with these as well. However, they did say that the slide would still operate if one cable was blown. More than one it will not. Any truth to this?
And I assume that cable clamps and piecing in a cable is a temporary fix.
My question, does anyone have specs on how these slides work? I only used this TT once before storing it. And I did not give the slide motor and cables a good enough look that I probably should have. Thanks.
I apologize for thread jacking. However, I have not had an opportunity to read a post as of yet regarding the AC Slides, which I now have. OP I hope you get this sorted.
I just purchased a Keystone Bullet Premier with these slides. The Tech's at CW said their knowledge was limited with these as well. However, they did say that the slide would still operate if one cable was blown. More than one it will not. Any truth to this?
And I assume that cable clamps and piecing in a cable is a temporary fix.
My question, does anyone have specs on how these slides work? I only used this TT once before storing it. And I did not give the slide motor and cables a good enough look that I probably should have. Thanks.
I have the entire manual on my laptop, but you can download it online at their site and their tech support is super, if you have a question. Again, this slide mechanism is not common so you will likely not find many techs who have much experience with it. I probably don't see it more than once a year.
Although underutilized, often folks can go directly to a manufacturer's website and download the same things I have at my disposal. I am not saying that is all there is to being a technician. You can also download plenty of material on brain surgery and not be a neurosurgeon, but I very seldom research on anything other than manufacturers' sites. You will obtain better information, if you are honest about your limitations, if you decide to call.
Steve
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I have the entire manual on my laptop, but you can download it online at their site and their tech support is super, if you have a question. Again, this slide mechanism is not common so you will likely not find many techs who have much experience with it. I probably don't see it more than once a year.
Although underutilized, often folks can go directly to a manufacturer's website and download the same things I have at my disposal. I am not saying that is all there is to being a technician. You can also download plenty of material on brain surgery and not be a neurosurgeon, but I very seldom research on anything other than manufacturers' sites. You will obtain better information, if you are honest about your limitations, if you decide to call.
Steve
Thanks Steve. I will give them a call or email them. I like to know how everything runs on my unit incase of little disasters. And they always happen when you are camping.
Again, tried tapping the brain of the tech I know and trust. Being the honest and humble man he is, he really did not know enough to give me the full run down.
Also wanted to know about suggested maintenance of the system. Which I will ask when I contact them. Thanks for the help. Be well!
Thanks Steve. I will give them a call or email them. I like to know how everything runs on my unit incase of little disasters. And they always happen when you are camping.
Again, tried tapping the brain of the tech I know and trust. Being the honest and humble man he is, he really did not know enough to give me the full run down.
Also wanted to know about suggested maintenance of the system. Which I will ask when I contact them. Thanks for the help. Be well!
Yikes! That is tough to follow without actually looking at the actual slide! However, not rocket science as you said. Probably best to keep a copy of this in the TT. Thanks again.
As promised, I came back. I had a chance to work on the camper this past week. I took everything apart and checked voltage to everything that I could with a meter. Everything seemed to test out fine-by the way-I found the circuit breaker resets on the front of the trailer in a box. After putting everything back together, the slide worked! So, I have no clue what I did, but maybe just jiggling the wiring around got the connection back again.