6.0 lifter problems
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Fleet Mechanic
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From: 'Pitlock, Maine
6.0 lifter problems
Hey all, I have seen a post or two about failed lifters and the destruction that happening causes in the 6.0 My question to those that use this site is who has had this happen to them or someone they know? and should it be a concern for someone that takes good care of their engine and doesn't have an overly high number of miles on their trucks. I have 112,000 on my 2007 and I haven't given an moment of thought to the lifters failing and would not expect that kind of an engine failure with twice that many miles..........thoughts and experienced stories here would be good, ............Thanks, Allan
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From: Saratoga Springs,UT
They made shorter lifters for less preload
Someone mentioned they thought it was cause each lifter pushes 2 valves at a Time
IDK what to think honestly if the shorter push rods will do anything or solve the problem
Slowly losing Faith, Kinda sad really
I expect my FICM to Die in the next year or 2 But if it would go 100-150k+ miles without much else I would be Happy But at this point its got to earn it
My truck has 103K and I had to do all in my sig a few things didn't fail and were only reliability mods so the truck has the benefit of the doubt at this point
How you guys Betting???
Someone mentioned they thought it was cause each lifter pushes 2 valves at a Time
IDK what to think honestly if the shorter push rods will do anything or solve the problem
Slowly losing Faith, Kinda sad really
I expect my FICM to Die in the next year or 2 But if it would go 100-150k+ miles without much else I would be Happy But at this point its got to earn it
My truck has 103K and I had to do all in my sig a few things didn't fail and were only reliability mods so the truck has the benefit of the doubt at this point
How you guys Betting???
Cargo Master
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From: missouri
[QUOTE=BLADE35;14013699]They made shorter lifters for less preload
Someone mentioned they thought it was cause each lifter pushes 2 valves at a Time
IDK what to think honestly if the shorter push rods will do anything or solve the problem
Slowly losing Faith, Kinda sad really
I expect my FICM to Die in the next year or 2 But if it would go 100-150k+ miles without much else I would be Happy But at this point its got to earn it
My truck has 103K and I had to do all in my sig a few things didn't fail and were only reliability mods so the truck has the benefit of the doubt at this point
How you
Im not a bit worried. If I have to do a head job I will install the 6.4 push rods and call it good. You have a hand full of people with premature lifter failure. And most the time they dont know the history of the truck. There are tens of thousands of 6.0's on the road with high miles that have not had them problems. Would I tear in an perfectly good running engine to replace lifters or push rods? Not me. They are the least of my worries.imo. now if you want to worry about something go buy a 6.4 or 6.7. Then worry about getting bad fuel and spending $10k on a fuel system. 6.0 are still the best engine out there imo.
Someone mentioned they thought it was cause each lifter pushes 2 valves at a Time
IDK what to think honestly if the shorter push rods will do anything or solve the problem
Slowly losing Faith, Kinda sad really
I expect my FICM to Die in the next year or 2 But if it would go 100-150k+ miles without much else I would be Happy But at this point its got to earn it
My truck has 103K and I had to do all in my sig a few things didn't fail and were only reliability mods so the truck has the benefit of the doubt at this point
How you
Im not a bit worried. If I have to do a head job I will install the 6.4 push rods and call it good. You have a hand full of people with premature lifter failure. And most the time they dont know the history of the truck. There are tens of thousands of 6.0's on the road with high miles that have not had them problems. Would I tear in an perfectly good running engine to replace lifters or push rods? Not me. They are the least of my worries.imo. now if you want to worry about something go buy a 6.4 or 6.7. Then worry about getting bad fuel and spending $10k on a fuel system. 6.0 are still the best engine out there imo.
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From: Saratoga Springs,UT
In my trucks defense I saw the rear 4 Cam Lobes a week ago and they were Great
Iv decided if my valve covers come off again I want to install the updated pushrods and give it that benefit anyways
Some of you probably saw this but this would likely extend the Lifter life
Dieselcraft.com Engine Oil Cleaning Inline Engine Oil Cleaning Centrifuges
Iv decided if my valve covers come off again I want to install the updated pushrods and give it that benefit anyways
Some of you probably saw this but this would likely extend the Lifter life
Dieselcraft.com Engine Oil Cleaning Inline Engine Oil Cleaning Centrifuges
Token Redneck
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From: Breckenridge, TX
How many injector and lifter failures are because of the "it's a diesel, it can go 10+k between oil changes" mentality?
Anthony had over 500k miles on his motor when ten of them failed (I'm using that the guess at the service lift of the lifters), that's well past the 250k service life of the injectors and auto trans. International put a 350K B50 life on the T444E (7.3L) and a 500k mile B50 life on the MaxxForce 7 (not exactly apples to apples I know, but it's all I could find) meaning that half of the engines made are going to have a major ****-the-bed incident by 350-500k, before Ford turned up the power and turned them into grocery getters. These are light duty diesels that were not engineered to last for a million miles, they were designed anticipating that about 40% of engines are going to fail between 200k and 350k (the B10 and B50 on the T444E), and a lot more inside the next 150k window.
Just get it to 250k and start saving for a rebuild. For a lot of people the chassis is well over 10 years old at that point and could probably use some cleaning up anyways.
Anthony had over 500k miles on his motor when ten of them failed (I'm using that the guess at the service lift of the lifters), that's well past the 250k service life of the injectors and auto trans. International put a 350K B50 life on the T444E (7.3L) and a 500k mile B50 life on the MaxxForce 7 (not exactly apples to apples I know, but it's all I could find) meaning that half of the engines made are going to have a major ****-the-bed incident by 350-500k, before Ford turned up the power and turned them into grocery getters. These are light duty diesels that were not engineered to last for a million miles, they were designed anticipating that about 40% of engines are going to fail between 200k and 350k (the B10 and B50 on the T444E), and a lot more inside the next 150k window.
Just get it to 250k and start saving for a rebuild. For a lot of people the chassis is well over 10 years old at that point and could probably use some cleaning up anyways.
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From: Asheville, NC
Some lifter damage is caused by poor maintenance but all of the 6.0's were built with pushrods that are 50/1000 too long and that causes the lifters to almost bottom out which over a period of time will cause failure. We see lifter ailure in about 15% to 20% of all the core engines that come back.
All aftermarket and Ford OEM pushrods are shorter than the originals and changing them out any time that you get under the valve covers can't hurt. Anytime that we have a head off, we put new lifters in the front half of the engine as a precaution. (you can't change the back half without removing the rear cover)
All aftermarket and Ford OEM pushrods are shorter than the originals and changing them out any time that you get under the valve covers can't hurt. Anytime that we have a head off, we put new lifters in the front half of the engine as a precaution. (you can't change the back half without removing the rear cover)
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From: Saratoga Springs,UT
The thing for me is I think we are just getting to the point where we are starting to see lifter failure
Im thinking over the next few years this number will skyrocket
Hope Im wrong and valve train wear will actually help
Im thinking over the next few years this number will skyrocket
Hope Im wrong and valve train wear will actually help
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Former Vendor
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BLADE35, we are seeing it 4-5 times a week. When it happens, it wipes out the camshaft and you need a reman engine.
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Fleet Mechanic
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What is the average mileage on the engines you're seeing with the failures? or do you collect that type of data?
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Seen a Pic or 2
I just thought valve train wear would help alleviate it and that probably wishful thinking there
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Im not a bit worried. If I have to do a head job I will install the 6.4 push rods and call it good. You have a hand full of people with premature lifter failure. And most the time they dont know the history of the truck. There are tens of thousands of 6.0's on the road with high miles that have not had them problems. Would I tear in an perfectly good running engine to replace lifters or push rods? Not me. They are the least of my worries.imo. now if you want to worry about something go buy a 6.4 or 6.7. Then worry about getting bad fuel and spending $10k on a fuel system. 6.0 are still the best engine out there imo.
Yeaaaaaaaahh....I'm gonna have to....disagree with you there on that one Peter.
My 6.0L lifter opinion thread:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...led-6-0-a.html
Yeaaaaaaaahh....I'm gonna have to....disagree with you there on that one Peter.
My 6.0L lifter opinion thread:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...led-6-0-a.html
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From: Buffalo NY
I've owned mine from new, used Motorcraft synthetic at routine intervals for years, and had a lifter go bad. I'm still adding up the costs. I'm not saying this is one of the problems 6.0's are "known" for but it seems like it's starting to become more prevalent. At this point, I have no known cause....and no solution.
Cargo Master
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From: missouri
I see. Well lifters go out on every make of engine. I had an 08 with a 6.4 and a lifter and cam went out with in 5k miles. Now in saying that, all I can say it happens now and then. Unfortunately you got one that it happened too just as it did to me. I guess why I said what I said is because it does not happen very often. Is it happening more now than before? Sure it is because these engines are getting some miles on them, should they be? Nope. Bottom line ive had 7 different 6.0's and in fact just bought another yesterday and never had that problem. And if it happens I will just fix it.
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You do NOT need a reman engine just because you lost a lifter and camshaft although it's like remaning an engine to repair it.