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Old Dec 29, 2013 | 10:54 PM
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Leet me be the Ford tech to put in my two cents to tell that THAT is the the typical "typewriter" noise that I have personally heard myself listening through the inner fender myself, and sent the customers on their merry way without any repair attempt. I have since seen these same trucks return with no further re-occurence of this noise miles later. Let me just finish with the question for those of you wondering, would you owners prefer us techs replacing a part, or parts inside the engine in a vain attempt to 'repair' the noise? In other words, would you prefer us "open up" your engine needlessly, just for the sake of doing something for free, even if it achieves absolutely nothing in the end?
 
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Old Dec 30, 2013 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by m-chan68
Leet me be the Ford tech to put in my two cents to tell that THAT is the the typical "typewriter" noise that I have personally heard myself listening through the inner fender myself, and sent the customers on their merry way without any repair attempt. I have since seen these same trucks return with no further re-occurence of this noise miles later. Let me just finish with the question for those of you wondering, would you owners prefer us techs replacing a part, or parts inside the engine in a vain attempt to 'repair' the noise? In other words, would you prefer us "open up" your engine needlessly, just for the sake of doing something for free, even if it achieves absolutely nothing in the end?
Yes!!!

At least give us the Placebo Fix. You know, where you keep our truck for 4 days, don't give us a loaner vehicle, and then return our trucks to us with a magazine thick repair ticket that we can't understand.

Yet, it the end you have done nothing more than leave our truck parked on the back lot. There is a little dirt, grease or oil on the steering wheel cover from the lot attendant driving our truck to park it and return it to us. But, we don't care because we just got our truck back.

Then when all is said and done, we are told and accept the fact that it is the nature of the beast.


Yes, I jest. Happy New Year!!!
 
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Old Dec 30, 2013 | 09:09 AM
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Scorp- I can certainly hear the tick, almost reminds me of a traditional spark plug wire arcing out to a nearby metal component, but that's not possible on our motors.....

I've got nothing, other than to say I can't stand hearing "that's normal" from someone that can't then explain to me what it is and why I shouldn't be concerned about it.

If the truck had a lifetime repair warranty, then ok, guess you might have to just deal with the aggravating noise if your dealer can't or won't fix it, but since warranties have an annoying way of expiring....
 
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Old Dec 30, 2013 | 11:13 AM
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Thanks for that. I will bring it up tomorrow when I bring it in. They are documenting everything for the engineer (another issue: service advance track/hill decent fault) that is coming out to take a look at 3 months worth of computer problems. So this too with be documented and also will be brought to his attention. I am hoping I can find some answers from Ford for the persistent issues that have been plaguing the truck. I am going to straighten it out. Ill post any NEW findings, issues or recommendations from Ford here. Thanks all
Keep me in the loop, too, scorpionranch67. I'll be happy to escalate this up to the regional level if you'd like; just send me a PM with your full name, best daytime phone number, VIN, mileage, and servicing dealership. I'll do the rest!

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Old Dec 30, 2013 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by m-chan68
Leet me be the Ford tech to put in my two cents to tell that THAT is the the typical "typewriter" noise that I have personally heard myself listening through the inner fender myself, and sent the customers on their merry way without any repair attempt. I have since seen these same trucks return with no further re-occurence of this noise miles later.

OK, so if it is "normal"......

What is it?

Why does it happen?

Was it designed by engineers to do make the noise?


I have a VERY hard time hearing that it is normal and nothing to worry about. I can guarantee you that it was not designed to do so, no matter where it is coming from and no matter what it actually is. Doesn't matter one iota if it won't "harm" the engine. It didn't leave the factory with the tick, did it?

And BTW, if it happened to your $50K+ truck, would you just say, "oh, it's normal, OK, cool" ?
 
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Old Dec 30, 2013 | 11:51 AM
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X2 what jh225 just said.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2013 | 12:03 PM
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I guess my truck is defective. I'll try to get the tick put in by the dealer next week, because right now, it doesn't tick. I want mine "normal" too. While they're at it, perhaps they could install the death wobble.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2013 | 01:26 PM
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Good video post Scorpion, I could definitely pick out the sound.
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Old Dec 30, 2013 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by EO2SeaBee
I guess my truck is defective. I'll try to get the tick put in by the dealer next week, because right now, it doesn't tick. I want mine "normal" too. While they're at it, perhaps they could install the death wobble.
I lol'd, thanks EO

Mine'll be going in soon for possible radiator and another attempt at succesful SYNC update, along with possible trans reflash- shifting wonky here lately. I'll also ask for the tick to be installed, but I'm gonna pass on the death wobble

But in all seriousness, the "goose being strangled" sound that the wastegate actuator makes after shut-off, I'm ok with being "normal", as there was an explanation given and even repairs successfully attempted. That's the difference
 
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Old Dec 30, 2013 | 01:40 PM
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Dang. I forgot about the wastegate. I guess I'll have to get that done as well. Mine is completely silent when I shut down.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2013 | 05:04 PM
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UPDATE ALL:
First off I wanted to say I really do appreciate all the feedback and discussion. This is why I went with this forum, simply because we all can have an intelligent conversation bringing in our points as needed and a plethora of knowledge, for that thank you all.
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Brought the truck into the dealer today and here is an essential breakdown of what they said: The tech heard the "normal tick" again and (also did not hear a louder tick nor RPM matched tick that is louder than my video post did not even catch) I drove away with my truck. The general service manager mentioned that what I have described is not characteristic of the "normal tick" and when the engineer comes out to look at the truck for my other thread (service advanced track, hill decent fault plague) they are going to have him look into this a little closer. The problem that most of us have is the nasty "repeating the problem in the shop", if they cannot repeat it exactly to your description or close to it, they cannot fix it…which I suppose makes sense from a business and cost standpoint. My question here is this, and please argue, put in your 2, back me up, whatever you like but when I bought my truck it did not make that noise, when I drove the first 8k it did not make that noise (first oil change etc at 5k)…so why now? Why has is gotten louder to where my wife can notice it, and why am I seeing a power loss since the start. We know the 6.7 has a lot behind it and those of us (I am assuming most if not all) pay very close attention of every bump in the road when it comes to a truck we love. I am just baffled I guess. Again the engineer will be coming out very soon, we will see what he or she has to say.
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Old Dec 30, 2013 | 08:24 PM
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Scorpion, The YouTube video you posted is exactly what mine sounds like. Mine only occurs after warm up and started after my last oil change which is post 40,000 miles. I normally add three gallons and one quart but this last change I did not add the quart but it showed a little over full and still does after 1000 miles on oil. Next time I warm it up and get it ticking I am going to put on the lift to see if I can isolate where the tick is coming from.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2013 | 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sgrol
Scorpion, The YouTube video you posted is exactly what mine sounds like. Mine only occurs after warm up and started after my last oil change which is post 40,000 miles. I normally add three gallons and one quart but this last change I did not add the quart but it showed a little over full and still does after 1000 miles on oil. Next time I warm it up and get it ticking I am going to put on the lift to see if I can isolate where the tick is coming from.

I appreciate that. What I have found is that there is a harsh tick that does seem to be varrient on temp, use and intesnity. Any feeback on your findings would be welcomed.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2013 | 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by jonrjen
Yes!!!

At least give us the Placebo Fix. You know, where you keep our truck for 4 days, don't give us a loaner vehicle, and then return our trucks to us with a magazine thick repair ticket that we can't understand.

Yet, it the end you have done nothing more than leave our truck parked on the back lot. There is a little dirt, grease or oil on the steering wheel cover from the lot attendant driving our truck to park it and return it to us. But, we don't care because we just got our truck back.

Then when all is said and done, we are told and accept the fact that it is the nature of the beast.


Yes, I jest. Happy New Year!!!
Gentlemen (and I use the term loosely), in all my 20+ years of wrenching, I have always given my utmost best at keeping my focus on the one main goal when performing my duties, LOOKING AFTER THE CUSTOMER. Thankfully, human interaction is very seldom for me, except for when the odd question arises by a customer that becomes too technical for the front line staff (cashier, advisor, manager) to address. Having said that, I would also like to say that if you are going to call me an A-hole, thief or liar, two things come to mind. A) You better have some pretty substantial proof to back up any, or all of the allegations. B) You better be prepared to come on the receiving of the attitude you give me three-fold (you know, this thing called do onto others as they do onto you?).

As for your "placebo fix" comment, I think you're missing the point. What I was trying to get into, was asking if you really would like your engine "opened up" and parts (engine parts that is) replaced, just for the sake of replacing parts, EVEN IF the odds highly favour the 'repair' attempt will prove unsuccessful? I don't know about you, but I sure as hell wouldn't.

Originally Posted by BlackBeest
I've got nothing, other than to say I can't stand hearing "that's normal" from someone that can't then explain to me what it is and why I shouldn't be concerned about it.
I will post the Special Service Message at the bottom of this post for those of you non-believers.

Originally Posted by BlackBeest
If the truck had a lifetime repair warranty, then ok, guess you might have to just deal with the aggravating noise if your dealer can't or won't fix it, but since warranties have an annoying way of expiring....
Might I ask, to what time do you reasonably expect the manufacturer to be responsible for any issues that come up with any vehicle?

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OK, so if it is "normal"......

What is it?

Why does it happen?

Was it designed by engineers to do make the noise?


I have a VERY hard time hearing that it is normal and nothing to worry about. I can guarantee you that it was not designed to do so, no matter where it is coming from and no matter what it actually is. Doesn't matter one iota if it won't "harm" the engine. It didn't leave the factory with the tick, did it?

And BTW, if it happened to your $50K+ truck, would you just say, "oh, it's normal, OK, cool" ?
First of all, I am not an engineer so I have no clue what this noise is, or what it could be, other than the fact that it obvously originates from the engine which we all know already.

Again, in answer to your question about being "normal" I will post the service message at the bottom of this post for your viewing pleasure.

I am not by any means disagreeing with the issue being a nuisance at best, but at the same time do you think that vehicles costing $100K are without issues? I think not.

Originally Posted by BlackBeest
But in all seriousness, the "goose being strangled" sound that the wastegate actuator makes after shut-off, I'm ok with being "normal", as there was an explanation given and even repairs successfully attempted. That's the difference
THAT, is because the source of that particular noise was easily pinpointed and addressed in a timely manner.

And now, here is the message straight from FoMoCo regarding the noise issue for jonrjen, BlackBeest, jh225, Tim Young, EO2SeaBee and any other non-believers to see:
Originally Posted by SSM 44120
44120 2011-2014 F-Super Duty - 6.7L Diesel - Tick/Tap Noise At Idle
Some 2011-2014 F-Super Duty 6.7L diesel equipped vehicles may exhibit a ticking noise at idle after an engine oil change. It is often referred to as Typewriter Noise because of its similarity to the sound of a mechanical typewriter. When engine temperatures reach 150 °F (65 °C) or higher, (from engine idle up to approximately 1700 RPM's), this noise can typically be heard at the front wheel well and is often isolated to the transmission bell housing or oil pan area. Typewriter Noise is not detrimental to engine function or durability and has no short or long term effects on the engine. Do not attempt repairs to eliminate this noise. This noise is characteristic of the 6.7L diesel engine and will typically cease or diminish significantly within the oil change maintenance interval.
<!--EFFECTIVE DATE: 08/02/2013-->EFFECTIVE DATE: 02-AUGUST-2013
 
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Old Dec 31, 2013 | 04:42 AM
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m-chan68 I am not a non-believer and I wasn't trying to pick a fight. I understand your point and agree with you on most of it. While I don't like the notion that our trucks may exhibit a strange characteristic after an oil change, the original post stated that his ticking didn't seem to follow any particular pattern, nor did it go away, as the ticking with a fresh oil change typically does. If we see a pattern like this and we can see no long term negative effects caused by these things, it is an inconvenience and possibly embarrassing, but my concern is for my truck to reliably last well beyond warranty. Not being able to explain an issue does not make it normal, nor does it mean there's not room for improvement.

While I was poking a little fun with my previous comments about mine being abnormal because it does not exhibit these "normal" traits, there was also a good deal of truth in my statement. If it is normal, why does it not do it from the factory? Typically, these sorts of things are caused by wear. I expect any vehicle - regardless of price - to start making racket at some point in its life due to wear. How soon that racket begins IMO is an indication of initial quality of design and longtime durability. Labeling something we don't understand as normal, usually means we've quit looking for answers. For those things that we have answers for and still consider normal, I have no real problem.

I love my truck, and will do my best to take care of it and keep it as close to factory fresh as I am capable. When I hear a new noise, I want to know why it is doing it and if it is a problem. If there is anything I can do about it, I will. This vehicle is the second most valuable thing I own, with my house being the first.

I appreciate a good mechanic (it sounds like you are very skilled and passionate about your job) and his abilities to troubleshoot something as complex as these modern engines. I also know that it is extremely difficult sometimes to find the answers. In my line of work, I also have to troubleshoot from time to time. The best problems are the ones that are obvious and easily corrected, but there are times when a whole bunch of us (including the engineers) are scratching our heads trying to figure it out. I do not want my engine torn apart for "exploratory surgery", as I may end up with a whole new set of issues once complete, but we learn as we go and I hope that the long term reliability and safety is not an issue for me or anyone else due to these.
 
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