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Old Dec 16, 2013 | 06:00 PM
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EBPV QUESTION.

A friend of mine has a 2001 F250 7.3. His ebpv seems to be working correctly.But no matter how long you drive it, the ebpv still actuates. I own a 2000 F250 7.3, and mine stops actuating after about fifteen minutes of driving. Both trucks are stock. They both actuate at tip-in throttle from about 1500-2000 rpm's. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Old Dec 16, 2013 | 06:39 PM
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Unplug it. Leave it unplugged. Never worry about it or get mad at it again.
 
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Old Dec 16, 2013 | 07:08 PM
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I'm looking more towards figuring out the problem. It gets pretty cold in WI and I would rather find and fix the issue and keep everything working that is related to keeping the engine and the driver warm. Being stranded at -20 sucks!
 
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Old Dec 16, 2013 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by fordpowerstroke444
I'm looking more towards figuring out the problem. It gets pretty cold in WI and I would rather find and fix the issue and keep everything working that is related to keeping the engine and the driver warm. Being stranded at -20 sucks!
Not being a smarta$$, but the EBPV IS part of the problem. It's pointless if you let your truck warm up for a few minutes before you drive it. As far as why it's activating, I bet the line going to the sensor up near the HPOP is clogged with soot.
 
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Old Dec 16, 2013 | 08:53 PM
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Not being a smarta$$, but the EBPV IS part of the problem. It's pointless if you let your truck warm up for a few minutes before you drive it. As far as why it's activating, I bet the line going to the sensor up near the HPOP is clogged with soot.
I agree and when you go to clean it, you will find a few spots that are rusted open. Just buy a new line, hook it all back up and see if it works like it should.
 
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Old Dec 16, 2013 | 09:01 PM
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I pulled the EBP sensor and line off a few days ago. Neither were clogged, as well as the fitting on the exhaust manifold. I connected the EBP sensor to its connector and applied a regulated amount of shop air to the sensor while watching the scanner and the pressure increased. I did not see an increase in pressure with everything hooked up as I revved the engine and let off several times.
 
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Old Dec 16, 2013 | 09:10 PM
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Where you in neutral when reving or in gear?
 
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Old Dec 16, 2013 | 10:06 PM
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Is a wooshing noise out of the intake when under load (I have a 6637 air filter) caused by the EBPV? I have a new exhaust tube and back pressure sensor. Late '99 7.3 with an auto. Thanks, Larry
 
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Old Dec 16, 2013 | 10:22 PM
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Contrary to my colleague, I find I really like the EBPV, but I have maintained my system and it works well. You have a scanner... good. Key on, engine off - look at your MAP (absolute) pressure and at the Exhaust Back Pressure at the same time. They should have the same reading. Please let me know what you find, and we'll go from there.
 
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Old Dec 17, 2013 | 08:39 AM
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Interchange parts from one truck to the other!
 
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Old Dec 18, 2013 | 12:45 PM
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Interchange parts from one truck to the other!
That seems like more work to me. Do it right do it once.
 
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Old Dec 18, 2013 | 02:35 PM
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I thought the EBPV is supposed to restrict the exhaust to help warm the engine up and keep the engine warm.


Mine closes one the oil temp warms up to a point and then stays closed as long as I'm not on the throttle too hard.

Somewhere I thought someone had a document describing the logic behind it, but I can't remember where it was and can't find it again.

Basically if the computer thinks the engine needs it, it will keep it closed to keep the engine warm.

Differences between how it's working on the two trucks could be how they are driven, temperature differences on the day, existing exhaust back pressure differences, Engine load (Truck weight, trans, gears, tires, aerodynamics), Driving route, conditions, etc.

I could go on.

If you have an AE and can monitor and record things like the oil temp, "coolant temp" engine load, boost pressure, Exhaust back pressure, throttle, RPM, speed, and EBPV activation. Do this on both trucks and note the ambient air temp and compare the data.

My guess is that your buddies truck is staying just cool enough that the ECM thinks the EBPV needs to stay closed.

It could also be a difference in the Ford programming from 2000 to 2001.

This could all be just normal, but with out the information on how the logic is supposed to work, and then sensor readings from the truck in question, it is not possible to determine if there is a problem or not.
 
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Old Dec 18, 2013 | 02:47 PM
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1998 Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis, OBD II 7 3L Diesel 7/1997
Exhaust Back-Pressure Sensor

The Exhaust Back-Pressure sensor is a variable capacitor sensor that is supplied a 5-volt reference signal by the
PCM and returns a linear analog voltage signal that indicates pressure. The Exhaust Back-Pressure sensor
measures the pressure in the RH exhaust manifold. This sensor is used in conjunction with the exhaust
back-pressure regulator to form a closed loop exhaust back-pressure control system.

The exhaust back-pressure is controlled by the PCM to provide more heat to the coolant for cab heating when
ambient air temperature is below 7 C (45 F) and engine oil temperature is below 75 C (167F) during low load,
low speed operating conditions.

An open or short in the Exhaust Back-Pressure sensor wiring will result in a low out of range voltage at the PCM,
and the PCM will disable Exhaust Back-Pressure control.
Exhaust Back Pressure Regulator

The exhaust back pressure is controlled to provide more heat to the coolant for cab heating when ambient air
temperature is below 5C (40 F) and engine oil temperature is between -10C (15F) and 83 C (182F) during
low load, low speed operating conditions. At high load, high speed conditions, the back pressure system is
disabled.

The exhaust back pressure regulator solenoid and exhaust back pressure piston are contained in the
turbocharger mounting pedestal. Turbocharger pressurized lube oil is routed to the exhaust back pressure
solenoid. Oil regulated by the exhaust back pressure solenoid actuates the piston which operates the back
pressure valve in the exhaust housing.

I found this information. I have no idea if the temperature points for the valve actuation and deactivation changed from 1998 to 2000/2001 for you and your friends trucks, but this gives you an idea of how it works.
 
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Old Dec 19, 2013 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 99F-350CrewCab
Somewhere I thought someone had a document describing the logic behind it, but I can't remember where it was and can't find it again.
I thought it was only in play at idle because my ebpv will open by tapping the brake pedal.
Atleast the exhaust note changes from hissing to normal pressing brake.
Computer will close it again after several minutes if left idling cold.
As soon as brake is pressed to put in gear opens back up again.
 
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Old Dec 19, 2013 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by enormiss
I thought it was only in play at idle because my ebpv will open by tapping the brake pedal.
Atleast the exhaust note changes from hissing to normal pressing brake.
Computer will close it again after several minutes if left idling cold.
As soon as brake is pressed to put in gear opens back up again.
That's probably part of the logic in the PCM. It might be opening it when you put your foot on the brake anticipating you putting it in gear and increasing the load on the engine. So it opens this to give the engine the best response to that load so it doesn't stall.
 
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