No start! Leaking oil.
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No start! Leaking oil.
Hey guys,
Yesterday my check engine light came on. I didnt think much of it. I had planned on going to pick up one of the craftsman odb2 scan tools today to check it out. Well, my truck wouldnt start this morning. Not even turn over, starter doesnt click, anything(batteries seem fine). I look under the truck, and see a small puddle of oil dripping of the passenger side of the motor( first time ive ever seen it drip oil). I can also smell a burnt smell. This is my daily driver, so i need this rig back up and running asap. Please let me know what else i need to check inorder to further troubleshooting. I didnt get a chance to look under the hood yet. Thanks.
Yesterday my check engine light came on. I didnt think much of it. I had planned on going to pick up one of the craftsman odb2 scan tools today to check it out. Well, my truck wouldnt start this morning. Not even turn over, starter doesnt click, anything(batteries seem fine). I look under the truck, and see a small puddle of oil dripping of the passenger side of the motor( first time ive ever seen it drip oil). I can also smell a burnt smell. This is my daily driver, so i need this rig back up and running asap. Please let me know what else i need to check inorder to further troubleshooting. I didnt get a chance to look under the hood yet. Thanks.
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Start with the basics. Have you made sure the batteries are charged? Checked the battery terminals and the rest of the connecting lugs for tightness/corrosion? Tried to crank it with the gear selector in neutral?
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What ^^he^^ said.
Put the selector in neutral and try to crank it. Or wiggle it around while trying to crank it in park.
Also check that something didn't stick and has fried itself with a constant draw of power. You did mention a "burnt" smell...like what? Electrical? Oil? plastic?
Put the selector in neutral and try to crank it. Or wiggle it around while trying to crank it in park.
Also check that something didn't stick and has fried itself with a constant draw of power. You did mention a "burnt" smell...like what? Electrical? Oil? plastic?
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All of a sudden doesn't crank when it would earlier huh? Go to your starter and check for battery voltage at the solenoid wire (smaller hot wire) with the key in the start position. Then check for battery voltage at the big wire all the time. If you have voltage at these two places you need to get rid of the starter. An oil leak will not cause a no crank condition which is what you have. A lot of times people confuse no crank and no start. You have a no crank. If you can get it to crank and then it won't start you have an issue. But start with the starter, because even if you had low battery power your truck would still do something. If your lights come on, etc, you can bet you've got enough juice to at least turn the beast over.
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All of a sudden doesn't crank when it would earlier huh? Go to your starter and check for battery voltage at the solenoid wire (smaller hot wire) with the key in the start position. Then check for battery voltage at the big wire all the time. If you have voltage at these two places you need to get rid of the starter. An oil leak will not cause a no crank condition which is what you have. A lot of times people confuse no crank and no start. You have a no crank. If you can get it to crank and then it won't start you have an issue. But start with the starter, because even if you had low battery power your truck would still do something. If your lights come on, etc, you can bet you've got enough juice to at least turn the beast over.
If you have an oil leak and no crank investigate.... Pop the hood and poke around... Find a round about area the oil is coming from then we can tell you where it is most likely coming from
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A passenger side oil leak could kill a starter.
I have had to change 2 starters out in trucks due to fluid contamination...
One was oil... the other was fuel.
Try arcing the posts on the selonoid. If it still no go spin then its probably dead.
A lot of guys will tell you to go with oem and steer clear of parts house starters...
I say hogwash...
I have a napa starter in Motorbug and it hasnt given me a hiccup in over a year.
I have had to change 2 starters out in trucks due to fluid contamination...
One was oil... the other was fuel.
Try arcing the posts on the selonoid. If it still no go spin then its probably dead.
A lot of guys will tell you to go with oem and steer clear of parts house starters...
I say hogwash...
I have a napa starter in Motorbug and it hasnt given me a hiccup in over a year.
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I'm on my fifth Pep Boys lifetime warranty starter. Two of them didn't even make it out of the parking lot. Just sayin'.
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Battery terminals are clean as i clean them regularly. Tried starting it in neutral with no luck there either. I used my new code reader and got the code p1389, "glow plug circuit high side, low voltage". I just replaced my starter because the bolts that hold it in backed out and it was about to literally fall out. So it was replaced and i used loctite on the bolts. I will get under there and check the starter over with my multimeter and look the wires over. I havent had time to investigate under the hood much. I just pooped the hood and looked at the top of the motor without a light, but didnt see any obvious signs of a leak. I will check that out tonight as well. Thanks for all the replies.
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Been there and had this problem. You have a 2002 just like me so let me help you out a bit.
The starter relay on the 02's was moved inside the cabin in the main fuse panel. I can't remember which one, but it's in the manual.
The trip wire for the starter is located on the passenger side behind the battery. It's really easy to disconnect the wire, make a jumper wire and see if the starter will turn over.
If this happens, then your relay in the fuse panel is likely bad. If the starter still won't turn over then your starter is bad. You can also check the voltage to going to the starter relay at this point behind the passenger battery.
If that voltage checks out, you could have a physical starter issue, I had that and a bad relay in the fuse panel. I now have a Napa starter and a spare relay in the truck. All has been good.
I'll look for my old post where I had this issue back in May. If I can find it I have pics and videos in there to help out. But just realize the 02's are different from the older model years.
The starter relay on the 02's was moved inside the cabin in the main fuse panel. I can't remember which one, but it's in the manual.
The trip wire for the starter is located on the passenger side behind the battery. It's really easy to disconnect the wire, make a jumper wire and see if the starter will turn over.
If this happens, then your relay in the fuse panel is likely bad. If the starter still won't turn over then your starter is bad. You can also check the voltage to going to the starter relay at this point behind the passenger battery.
If that voltage checks out, you could have a physical starter issue, I had that and a bad relay in the fuse panel. I now have a Napa starter and a spare relay in the truck. All has been good.
I'll look for my old post where I had this issue back in May. If I can find it I have pics and videos in there to help out. But just realize the 02's are different from the older model years.
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Been there and had this problem. You have a 2002 just like me so let me help you out a bit.
The starter relay on the 02's was moved inside the cabin in the main fuse panel. I can't remember which one, but it's in the manual.
The trip wire for the starter is located on the passenger side behind the battery. It's really easy to disconnect the wire, make a jumper wire and see if the starter will turn over.
If this happens, then your relay in the fuse panel is likely bad. If the starter still won't turn over then your starter is bad. You can also check the voltage to going to the starter relay at this point behind the passenger battery.
If that voltage checks out, you could have a physical starter issue, I had that and a bad relay in the fuse panel. I now have a Napa starter and a spare relay in the truck. All has been good.
I'll look for my old post where I had this issue back in May. If I can find it I have pics and videos in there to help out. But just realize the 02's are different from the older model years.
The starter relay on the 02's was moved inside the cabin in the main fuse panel. I can't remember which one, but it's in the manual.
The trip wire for the starter is located on the passenger side behind the battery. It's really easy to disconnect the wire, make a jumper wire and see if the starter will turn over.
If this happens, then your relay in the fuse panel is likely bad. If the starter still won't turn over then your starter is bad. You can also check the voltage to going to the starter relay at this point behind the passenger battery.
If that voltage checks out, you could have a physical starter issue, I had that and a bad relay in the fuse panel. I now have a Napa starter and a spare relay in the truck. All has been good.
I'll look for my old post where I had this issue back in May. If I can find it I have pics and videos in there to help out. But just realize the 02's are different from the older model years.
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On this note, I will probably just end up going with an OEM starter to avoid this crap inn the future. Finding my starter literally hanging was bad enough. And now this. Wonder if they will give me a refund on this "lifetime warrantied" starter. Probably not.
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When my pedestal o-rings leaked the oil went right for the starter, so that might be something to look in to. Did you check the #30 fuse for the fuel bowl heater if that's blown it will cause a no crank and the heater will have to be disconnected.
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My Mitsubishi reman starter from Carquest lasted 5 years, just put a brand new (non reman) one in.