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Old Dec 12, 2013 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by luv2aclr8
o2 see's more oxygen and its job its to keep the a/f correct so it adds more fuel decreasing mpg's. It runs rich and it doesn't know it. Same with the timing. All that timing advance is good on a gas engine, but when u add HHO to the mix it will ping. You want to back the timing off so the engine will run correctly for the effects of HHO.
the PCM fuels to prevent an excessive A/F ratio. it's simple engine safety designed to ensure longevity and reliability. millions/billions spent by Ford/Chevy/Dodge/Toyota...etc to ensure this occurs

I would think it would be no different than slapping a turbo on a normally aspirated engine. The engine one would prob be higher compression, there wouldn't be a boost sensor to detect the extra air coming in to add fuel under boost, and the timing advance would cause serious issues. I say all that to say this, there will always be issues with trying to do something with an engine its not made for.


Obviously the turbo would damage the engine from leaning it out, plus boosting a higher compression engine and timing advance would be a lethal combination on a na motor. Could one say that a turbo is bad from that, who had tried it?

But if you build the same engine with lower compression, add something like MSD boost control to retard the timing based on per lb of boost, increased the injector size or added a fuel computer, now you have a performance beast. It has to be done correctly to see the results. In my opinion stand alone fuel management is "done correctly" but cost is the reason I didn't do it. So I am using a black box so to speak to modify the factory computer to get fuel & timing maps more compatible with HHO.
I've actually installed/used a few blower applications. It's really quite easy. You tell the PCM (tuning) what fuel maps to use for load/RPM. It then supplies that fuel. You then monitor your A/F ratio via a gauge and fine tune the PCM parameters. No special boost control needed. No special fuel computer needed, maybe new fuel injectors if the stock ones aren't big enough to supply demand...maybe. The PCM just needs a signal to know when boost is applied, or not and to what degree. This is/can be easily done using installed equipment

read up on power adders a bit please. you suggest alot of components that would only be required on a purpose built vehicle. most modern vehicles wouldn't need any of that stuff.
Now that I have wasted enough of your time, jk, I did fill the tank up like you said. I never gave much thought to fords mpg gauge. My concern is what one of the other members said, that the ultragauge may be off more than I realize when the HHO system is on.
so you are saying you came on FTE, and posted about a "Fanciful Tale of MPG" with no factual data? In doing so, the next guy who Googles "HHO" or "Browns Gas" will get a link to this thread.

but wait, you don't have actual factual data to support your HHO claims. You have a derived MPG number that relies on data it aquires from the PCM to calcuate. And you utilize a "Black box" to modify your PCM sensors/inputs so your HHO system can operate "properly".
See the logic chain here? You are changing the inputs to achieve your desired results.

Please do some hand calculations and come back with real world repeatable MPG numbers.
It will be interesting for all of us, hopefully I won't be posting with my tail between my legs. I'd be devastated......
nah, you'd be suffering from a dose of reality. I'm sorry you got suckered at some point by a HHO scam artist. Hopefully your motor isn't overly damaged. I highly recommend you get that HHO crap off the car immediately
I didn't see this post. Bold above....
 
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Old Dec 12, 2013 | 10:08 AM
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Old Dec 12, 2013 | 03:19 PM
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I honestly don't see how that setup works at all without a flux capacitor!
 
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