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Old Nov 21, 2013 | 08:30 AM
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ZF-5 issue gets even better

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i replaced slave cylinder and it worked out good except i couldnt bleed it. i tried everything.
so i said %#<¥ it!
i went out and got a full pre-bleed system. (works perfect)
now my new problem is caused by my old problem.
since i couldnt get it to bleed....i had to start my truck in first gear multiple times (100's) in order to drive it.
now im hearing slight grinding/squealing sound when put into gear.
truck does have a SB clutch with 30K on it.
any ideas? ty
 
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Old Nov 21, 2013 | 07:51 PM
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bump....sorry my tread was slipn away.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2013 | 09:15 PM
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the noise you are hearing. doe it only do it when you are actually putting the trans in gear? Not when it is already in a gear.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2013 | 06:34 AM
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ya. only when im putting it into gear.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2013 | 11:37 AM
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I put a prebled system in and didn't have any problems. I ended up having to start mine once without using clutch right after my old system blew out. Dropped new system in with no trouble.
Was your tranny shifting fine before the 100 times you started it without master slave cylinder? Did it make any noise at all before you started having problems with old slave?
 
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Old Nov 22, 2013 | 03:56 PM
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it did not have any issues before my slave went out.
im going to drive it for a few days and see if the noise goes away.
my thinking its NOT the clutch since it only has 20-30k on it.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2013 | 04:31 PM
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Have you checked the clutch linkage it's know to wear bushings out
 
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Old Nov 22, 2013 | 04:43 PM
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Does the truck try to roll forward a little bit when you're putting it into gear without touching the brakes and you're on a flat surface?

I've started my truck while in gear plenty of times and it never has caused a problem. I've probably done it 50+ times.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2013 | 04:56 PM
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U need at least 11mm stroke at the shift fork. Throw out blown up?
 
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Old Nov 22, 2013 | 04:57 PM
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funny you mention that....yes. as of late the truck will more than roll. it wants to jump foward. i need a foot on the brake.
whats the cause of that?
 
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Old Nov 22, 2013 | 05:31 PM
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funny you mention that....yes. as of late the truck will more than roll. it wants to jump foward. i need a foit on the brake.
whats the cause of that?
That's just a milder version of your original problem. Same list of causes - hydraulics, bent fork, weak pressure plate fingers, bad bushings in the pedal box and/or pushrod bushing. Since you just did the hydraulics, hopefully you can cross that one off the list.

And yeah, it would explain the noise, if it's literally making the noise as you push the shifter into first. What it's doing is starting engage the driveline as you shift, since the clutch is still not fully disengaging.

Do the fork travel measurement as mentioned above. Although I think you need closer to 12-13mm (1/2"-ish) minimum. If it's less, than look at the pedal / pushrod bushings. If it's at least that, then the fork and/or pressure plate are suspect (but at 30k, pressure plate should be good). Did you replace the fork when you did the clutch? IIRC, Ford has a new improved fork design, and one of the few OEM parts that don't, er, bend you over.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2013 | 06:19 PM
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My stroke actually measured 11/16 (.562") but the spec is 11mm min i thought but Madpogue is right on the money!
 
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Old Nov 22, 2013 | 06:54 PM
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Agreed. If the truck tries to move at all with the clutch pushed ALL THE WAY in, you got a problem.

Pedal not having enough throw(floor mat of something under pedal)
Hydraulics not moving enough(air in system)
Fork bent(replace fork)
 
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Old Nov 22, 2013 | 07:32 PM
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would a bent folk make that sound ive been talking about?
 
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Old Nov 22, 2013 | 07:46 PM
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A froze up piolet bearing will keep the mixer spinning and cause noises also .
 
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