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Old Oct 30, 2013 | 08:56 AM
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Underspray question

When my grandfather purchased the 1981 F150 off the showroom floor at Lonestar Ford..He paid an additional price for an under spray, under the truck to prevent rust from getting there here we are in 2013 and it is really rusty and it has been since atleast 07'?
 
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Old Oct 30, 2013 | 09:25 AM
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26 years is a long time.


Undercoating will keep electrolytes from the steel for only so long, but nothing will keep iron from trying to revert to its lowest energy state.
 
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Old Oct 30, 2013 | 09:32 AM
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When my grandfather purchased the 1981 F150 off the showroom floor at Lonestar Ford..He paid an additional price for an under spray, under the truck to prevent rust from getting there here we are in 2013 and it is really rusty and it has been since atleast 07'?
Undercoat is good for TRAPPING moisture against the metal and rotting the truck out. It is good in theory, but it doesnt work like you would think
 
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Old Oct 30, 2013 | 09:37 AM
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Cosmoline seems to work well.
But nobody wants sticky smelly grease all over their vehicle.
 
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Cosmoline seems to work well.
But nobody wants sticky smelly grease all over their vehicle.
I did on the inside of my frame rails
 
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Old Oct 30, 2013 | 09:45 AM
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I've always wondered about sacrificial anodes like you would use on a boat.

It takes a lot of energy to 'win' iron from its ore.
That energy is always trying to get loose in the presence of oxygen.
In the end nothing is going to change the laws of thermodynamics.
 
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Old Oct 30, 2013 | 10:48 AM
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Thanks I figured it was just a bs thing they offered that didnt work
 
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Old Oct 30, 2013 | 11:06 AM
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I've always wondered about sacrificial anodes like you would use on a boat.

It takes a lot of energy to 'win' iron from its ore.
That energy is always trying to get loose in the presence of oxygen.
In the end nothing is going to change the laws of thermodynamics.
We use the anodes when we burry underground wire at a pad mount transformer. I haven't been doing it long enough to see the long term results though.

I have see the "electronic" rust preventers though. They run off the 12v battery. DOnt know if they work or just another sales gimic
 
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Old Oct 30, 2013 | 11:07 AM
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Undercoating works for a while if it is properly applied.
Most people now, don't keep a vehicle for more than 5 years.
 
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Old Oct 30, 2013 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Diesel_Brad
We use the anodes when we burry underground wire at a pad mount transformer. I haven't been doing it long enough to see the long term results though.

I have see the "electronic" rust preventers though. They run off the 12v battery. DOnt know if they work or just another sales gimic
Do you work for a power company Brad?

Electronic rust preventers can work fine if they are forcing electrons backward.
Just a tiny charge will stop most galvanic corrosion
Have you ever used electrolysis (sodium carbonate and an anode) to reverse rust?
 
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Old Oct 30, 2013 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ArdWrknTrk
Electronic rust preventers can work fine if they are forcing electrons backward.
Just a tiny charge will stop most galvanic corrosion
Maybe this is why mid-80's up model Japanese cars (here in New Zealand anyhow), all simultaneously seemed to stop rusting?

Previous to then, they had all suffered as badly as each other. The change was as if a light was switched on.
 
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Originally Posted by Ken Blythen
Maybe this is why mid-80's up model Japanese cars (here in New Zealand anyhow), all simultaneously seemed to stop rusting?

Previous to then, they had all suffered as badly as each other. The change was as if a light was switched on.
I had a 1977 Datsun pickup.
OMG! That thing completely disintegrated in our salty New England winters.

Really it was the crap recycled steel.
Carbon is the most cathodic element and free carbon in the steel caused horrible corrosion.

The Japanese didn't take long to figure it out.
 
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Old Oct 30, 2013 | 12:08 PM
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Thanks I figured it was just a bs thing they offered that didnt work
I think you should take it back to the dealer and tell them you want Grandpa's money back. You won't get any money, but the looks on their faces will be worth something.
 
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We got an undercoating by a company called Ziebart applied on my mom's 1977 LTD II in a suburb of Chicago, and the car didn't still didn't have any noticeable rust in the 17 years we had it.
 
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Old Oct 31, 2013 | 12:05 AM
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I think you should take it back to the dealer and tell them you want Grandpa's money back. You won't get any money, but the looks on their faces will be worth something.
^ YES! LOL.
 
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