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Old Oct 21, 2013 | 08:16 AM
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Ok, a little history. My 2004 F250 came from the factory with load range E BFG’s. At around 40000 miles they were separating one per month. I had two blow outs in I95 with them. I finally went to the truck tire dealer and he recommended load range E Bridgestone A/T Revo 2. Nice looking tires with reasonable terrain tread. So, four new tires and over $1000 later I am good to go. Well, maybe for a short time. A month ago I had a tread separate while not towing and managed to get to the tire store before it blew. They pro-rated the tire and I still had to pay $169 for the replacement. Now, last Friday while pulling a gooseneck with an 8000 pound tractor on it another tread separation. I did manage to get off the interstate a little before it blew. So, I put the factory spare on and drive about 40 miles and boom! It blew ripping my fender up nicely. So now, I have tread separations within a month on two of the Bridgestone A/T tires. I have two left that are the same age as those (about 2years old). I probably had about 25K on them. Now I need 4 tires assuming I use the latest pro-rated tire as a spare. Maybe I can get them to pro-rate the rest of the tires but do I really want to do that or change brands? BFG’s are no worth a crap and it seems these Bridgestones are not either.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2013 | 09:28 AM
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How old were your BFG's when they started going south? I understand that they had 40K miles, but we're talking about a 9-10 year old truck. Depending on when that happened, if the tires were 7-8 years old, I'm not sure you can hold that against BFG. I've never ran the Rugged Trails on a truck, but have put 50K + miles on All Terrain TA KO's with no problems at all. That said, I have friends that swear by the Revo's too, so who knows?

Regardless of that, I'd be wanting something different too. I'd probably bite the bullet and buy a new set of another brand. I really like the Hankook AT's myself.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2013 | 10:00 AM
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How old were your BFG's when they started going south? I understand that they had 40K miles, but we're talking about a 9-10 year old truck. Depending on when that happened, if the tires were 7-8 years old, I'm not sure you can hold that against BFG. I've never ran the Rugged Trails on a truck, but have put 50K + miles on All Terrain TA KO's with no problems at all. That said, I have friends that swear by the Revo's too, so who knows?

Regardless of that, I'd be wanting something different too. I'd probably bite the bullet and buy a new set of another brand. I really like the Hankook AT's myself.
Yeah, the BFG' were in the 7-8 year range. I guess what made me worry was the recall of the exact same tire but in smaller size separating on Explorers some years ago and finally recalled the smaller size.
The Bridgestones were about two years old. Might look at some Coopers I guess. I ran BFG's on all my Jeeps for years but they didn't tow anything.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2013 | 10:20 AM
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Ive always been told that the "life" of a tire is not more than 4-5 years total. FROM DATE OF MANUFACTURE due to the rubber drying out.

Now im not to say that I haven't used tires longer than that, but there are a lot of factors.

i.e. weather, where the tires are stored (indoor or outdoor), how well they are maintained (tire pressure, rotations, regular stuff).

Now in your case, on a truck, these tires being 7-8 years old is probably your first problem, the second is putting that much weight on them and expecting them to handle it okay.

IMO both of these brands of tire are made pretty well. I have used both kinds and had good luck. This leads me to believe it is something to do with the truck... now dont shoot me but if a wheel is out of balance or bent or a multitude of possible problems it can cause a tire to wear unevenly and then separate and/or blowout earlier than the Life Expectancy of the tire. Another possibility is the axle, not all problems are the wheel and tire. Brakes locking on and applying constantly will heat the tire up too much and ruin it, a bent axle will roll the tire crooked and uneven and ruin it. Were the blown out tires on the same axle? same location?
 
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Old Oct 21, 2013 | 11:53 AM
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Ive always been told that the "life" of a tire is not more than 4-5 years total. FROM DATE OF MANUFACTURE due to the rubber drying out.

Now im not to say that I haven't used tires longer than that, but there are a lot of factors.

i.e. weather, where the tires are stored (indoor or outdoor), how well they are maintained (tire pressure, rotations, regular stuff).

Now in your case, on a truck, these tires being 7-8 years old is probably your first problem, the second is putting that much weight on them and expecting them to handle it okay.

IMO both of these brands of tire are made pretty well. I have used both kinds and had good luck. This leads me to believe it is something to do with the truck... now dont shoot me but if a wheel is out of balance or bent or a multitude of possible problems it can cause a tire to wear unevenly and then separate and/or blowout earlier than the Life Expectancy of the tire. Another possibility is the axle, not all problems are the wheel and tire. Brakes locking on and applying constantly will heat the tire up too much and ruin it, a bent axle will roll the tire crooked and uneven and ruin it. Were the blown out tires on the same axle? same location?
I really wasn't complaining so much about the BFG's being 8 years old and blowing. My issue is with the Bridgestones blowing at two years old.
First Bridgestone to separate came off the left rear. The second came off the right rear. Truck ran as smooth as silk till the treads start to come loose. The BFG's came off the left front, left rear, and right rear.
No bead melting on any of these tires. I would estimate the load I had on the hitch to be 2000 or less based on where the overloads were. I am pretty good at balancing a tractor on a trailer.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2013 | 12:47 PM
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I wasn't trying to say you did anything wrong I am sorry if it came off that way, in regards to that much weight I assume you had E load range tires which should easily handle that weight when properly aired up so my next thought might be the axle and running gear on the rear axle causing the tires to separate.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2013 | 01:02 PM
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On my 04 We replaced the BFG's last summer with the new style BFG. About same price you quoted. These are the rugged terrain or something like that, old one were the rugged trails. They have been holding up fine, good ride (after break in, a little squiggly at first).

My son on his F150 got about 55000 out of his OEM bfg's, mine were because were replaced due to age, still had good tread. Gave them to my BIL for his work truck! Guys at the tire store cried when I took them as they were going to take them for themselves! BFG's have worked well for us. I had firestones on my old F250, then dunlops neither really lasted long.

Firestone is now made by bridgestone I believe.
 

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Old Oct 21, 2013 | 01:13 PM
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I wasn't trying to say you did anything wrong I am sorry if it came off that way, in regards to that much weight I assume you had E load range tires which should easily handle that weight when properly aired up so my next thought might be the axle and running gear on the rear axle causing the tires to separate.
No, I didn't take it that way. Just trying to provide more info. Yeah they are load range E's.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2013 | 01:15 PM
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On my 04 We replaced the BFG's last summer with the new style BFG. About same price you quoted. These are the rugged terrain or something like that, old one were the rugged trails. They have been holding up fine, good ride (after break in, a little squiggly at first).

My son on his F150 got about 55000 out of his OEM bfg's, mine were because were replaced due to age, still had good tread. Gave them to my BIL for his work truck! Guys at the tire store cried when I took them as they were going to take them for themselves! BFG's have worked well for us. I had firestones on my old F250, then dunlops neither really lasted long.

Firestone is now made by bridgestone I believe.
Yep, my first set were rugged trail. Can't blame them too much since they were so old when they started to pop.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2013 | 01:51 PM
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Look at Nitto's or Toyo's. A lot of guys who run heavy have them. I have the Toyo MT's on mine with about 8-10k on them and haven't noticed a lot of wear. About 2-3k of it was pulling either the camper or a gooseneck.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2013 | 05:22 PM
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A great towing tire that I have had on a few trucks is the cooper discovery STT. Load range E. I tow heavy cross country and those tires stay cool. Never have had a failure (knock on wood).

Good for about 45K based upon my use with off road and snow and such.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2013 | 05:31 PM
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A great towing tire that I have had on a few trucks is the cooper discovery STT. Load range E. I tow heavy cross country and those tires stay cool. Never have had a failure (knock on wood).

Good for about 45K based upon my use with off road and snow and such.
Looked at them today. Going to the tire store tomorrow to see what happens. Looked at the Nitto also. Found some that are rated around 3700 each. Then again so were my Bridgestones.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2013 | 05:35 PM
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Looked at them today. Going to the tire store tomorrow to see what happens. Looked at the Nitto also. Found some that are rated around 3700 each. Then again so were my Bridgestones.
Tread design. My payload was usually around 3K so an easy 6200 lbs over the rear axle.

 
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Tread design. My payload was usually around 3K so an easy 6200 lbs over the rear axle.

Nice rig Senix.
Is that a pop out in the rear corner or a toy trailer door?
 
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Now that's a for real man toy there Senix Sweet looking Rig.

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