Hi Everyone,

Working on a 1966 F100 2WD ignition switch; each door and the ignition used a different key. Purchased a lock cylinder set from DC so would only have a single key for all. The mounting plate was missing and the ignition switch bezel was broken...the assembly was held in the dash by sheet metal screws jammed between the bezel and the hole in the dash; the dash area looks OK with no noticeable distortion. Also purchased a mounting plate and bezel from DC; installed everything but now the lock cylinder binds within the ignition switch such that the key does not return to on when the key is released from the start position. Did not bind when rigged in the dash. Tried the old lock cylinder as well as one borrowed from the other 66 -- both bind as well. If I push the ignition switch towards the seat the lock cylinder will no longer bind; when I do this there is a small gap between the dash face and the bezel. Anybody experienced this problem; could I just shim under the bezel or should I buy a new switch?

Thanks,
Gavin

 

Look at this pic...is the spacer (10A885) still located between the switch and the dash? If spacer is present, did you install it properly or bassackwards?

New switch comes with spring (Ford/autoparts stores), but not the spacer. Is the spring (11581) missing?

I also wonder what lock cylinder came in the 'keyed alike' door/ignition lock set (C3AZ-6222050-B) you bought from DC, as there's more than one type.

If it's wrong, cylinder will not lock in place in the switch.

Place key in cylinder, place paper clip in hole, turn key to accessory (left), cylinder comes out from switch, then bezel can be removed. To install, process in reverse.

 

Hi Bill,

The spacer is in there; bought it from DC along with a new bezel and lock cylinder. The lock cylinder kit I purchased from DC was assigned their # of C3AZ-6222050-B, listed for 61-66, and described as one ignition cylinder and two door lock cylinders with two keys - all keyed alike. The only parts not new are the ignition switch and the spring on the ignition switch. The cylinder locks within the switch as it should and I am familiar with installing and removing the cylinder using a paper clip to access the small pin.

 

installed one a few months ago from DC does the same thing have to turn back from start to on(binding??) i'm living with it
maybe a note to DC from you and I would help the next guy?

 

If DC sold you C5OZ-6222050-A in error, the door cylinders will work, but not the C5OZ-11582-A cylinder that comes in this kit, fits: 1965 Falcon/Fairlane, 1965/66 Mustang.

Correct cylinder w/keys is C3AZ-11582-A that also fits 1966/77 Bronco.

 

Thanks for the info and input. I will call the DC folks. Now that I think about it; the door lock cylinders work, but not an exact fit. I had to use the original lever that connects the lock cylinder to the rod which moves the lock pawl rather than the new levers in the kit....makes me think I got the wrong set as Bill suggests.

 

Hey...

I had my ignition switch out the other day as was wiring a device to the ACC post on the switch. I had a slight gap because the three tabs weren't fully seated in the three slots on the spacer. It's a bit awkward to push in and turn the switch to lock it into a tightness, keep trying.

DC is popular on this forum, but they do have problems as a lot of their stuff isn't tooled or made in the US, as any people who have ordered door parts have found out. There was a major blunder with their door handle regulators, for example, the thing was assembled incorrectly. A lot of their most popular items. meaning the most common things you would want to get that you see listed as not currently in stock are manufactured in South America. I am currently not very happy with DC but that is another story.

You stated you have an old ignition switch. You can get that part at almost any auto parts store anywhere for cheap. Since you are changing the cylinder, why not the switch, too?

 

Never heard of or seen any DC repro parts that are manufactured in South America. AFAIK, most DC parts that are not manufactured in the USA come from Taiwan and mainland China.

At the 2011 Western Nationals Truck Show (held the 3rd week of June in Anaheim), I asked Pat Ford, DC's 'road man' who travels the US in an newish F350 Super Duty Crew Cab pulling a trailer, attending shows/swap meets...where most of DC's repro parts come from.

His answer: China.

Prior to working for DC, Pat Ford owned the 3 day F100 Super Nationals Truck Show/Swap Meet held in Pigeon Forge TN

After he sold it, new owners moved the show moved to Knoxville, invited Mustang and etc car owners. I attended the 2008 event in Knoxville, held in the parking lot next to the Knoxville Zoo.

Show has now returned to Pigeon Forge, more cars are now attending. New owners musta figured that by inviting car owners with deep pockets, they could make more money than off the cheapskate truck owners.

 

Bill, I read an interesting thread on the door open shaft from DC which was yanked and out of stock for a long time. You know, so your passenger for instance, doesn't have to open the door with a vice-grip. Damn splines.

Anyway, cant remember if read it here or another website, but the manufacturing plant screwed that one up big time, and the two clips on the part were placed in backwards, causing the door open shaft to not fully function and DC yanked the part and wrote the guy who found it out there was a problem and it would be corrected in the future. I believe they said it was made in Brazil, actually. There were pics in the thread showing the issue with the part.

The good news is they seem to have corrected it, as it is in stock again.

However, all this kinda off-topic since getting that switch to sit firmly and tightly in Gavin's dash is the priority.

Cheers.

 

P.S. correction, I just checked DC's website. Made in Argentina, not Brazil. You can see it stamped on the part clear as day.

They have also added "import" to the description online. So at least they are now notifying buyers that the item is an imported one, so that's cool.

 

DC has made a 'deal' with FoMoCo, can buy obsolete parts...direct from them they are planning to obsolete.

This has p!ssed off some of the other obsolete parts vendors, as they know this violates FoMoCo's franchise agreement they have with their new car/truck dealers and Motorcraft jobbers that clearly states that they and they alone can buy parts from FoMoCo.

So, are these Argentine parts repro's or Genuine Ford? Besides selling these trucks in the US/Canada, FoMoCo sold 'em in Central/South America, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand.

FoMoCo was the first automaker to go global, Henry built assembly plants/parts depots worldwide to sell Model T's. In the 1970's, FoMoCo bought Kaiser-Jeep do Brazil...lock, stock and barrel.

This was a different entity than Kaiser-Jeep, that was sold to AMC.

Jeep, the most traveled brand in the history of the autobiz, owned in chronological order by the following:

American Bantam/******-Overland/Kaiser-Frazer/Kaiser-******/Kaiser-Jeep/AMC/Renault-AMC/Chrysler Corp/Daimler-Chrysler/Cerberus Capitol Management/US Govt/US Gov't-FIAT-Chrysler.

 

Yep, it's an interesting and somewhat sensitive topic, the entire closest to OEM, or OEM, NOS parts and well-done repros, and cheap repros. Personally, I plan to mix and match since mine is currently and will be a daily driver.

That's a really good question as to if it really is a Genuine FoMoCo Argentine import or not, and I do not know. It is only described as "import". It didn't used to be described that way. What I do know is that door open shaft (DC lists the part as C1TB-8121818-R), was impossible to find from a vendor from months, although certainly one could be found off a parts truck. I figured that was because all the vendors sell the same item from the same plant.

I don't know, but anyone who bought it from DC and others for a while, didn't get the results they expected. The issue was with the little clips on the side of the part wouldn't catch correctly and some guy realized it was installed wrong at the factory and notified DC. Good to see they resolved it though.

 

*It's gotta be described as 'import' cuz people that buy them will surely notice Hecho en Argentina, and...

There's a USA law that has 'been on the books' for over 100 years that clearly states if goods imported from foreign countries to the US...have to be marked with the country of origin.

I recall that in the late 1980's, parts cartons began arriving that said: Contents Hecho en Mexico. Some customers were really put off by Ford dealers selling Mexican made parts.

'Course back then, like today, many people are unaware that the new piles they just bought, could have been made in Canada, Germany, Mexico, South Korea...and the US of A.

btw: Some imported goods (DC's repro parts for example) are affixed with a tiny ovate shaped yellow sticker that says Made in China...that can be peeled off the packages.

One a these days, one/all of the repro parts sellers will face HUGE fines for passing off China made parts as US made parts.

* C1TB-8121818-B .. Door Latch Remote Control & Link Assy / Right/Left is the same / Obsolete ~ 4 available NOS / Last MSRP: $37.55 / Dealer net cost: $22.53.

1961/66 F100/1100 / 1963/69 N/NT/T500/1100 / 1967/69 F800/1000.

 

Called DC to inquire about lock cylinder; the fellow was more interested in informing me they were to close in 5 minutes. Went to Napa and purchased an ignition switch with the lock cylinder for 22.00 (Ignition Switch w/ Lock Cylinder<input name="ctl00$ContentPlaceHolder1$rptrProducts$ctl02 $hdnTextDetail" id="ctl00_ContentPlaceHolder1_rptrProducts_ctl02_h dnTextDetail" type="hidden" value="ECHKS6457_0169697103"> Part Number: ECH KS6457 Product Line: Echlin Ignition Parts). Installed - works perfectly. Just for sh#$s and giggles tried the following: DC lock cylinder into Napa switch....binds just like inside original switch; tried Napa lock cylinder in original switch....does not bind. The little lady informed me that the key did not work smoothly in the other truck (also a DC purchase to reach the nirvana of a single key); put Napa cylinder into other truck's ignition switch...works much smoother. I lined up the four lock cylinders under good light (DC new, Napa new, two switched from the two trucks). There is a small dimensional difference (just about 0.080 thousandths) in the NAPA lock cylinder compared to the others. The difference is in the distance from the terminus of the shaft at the end of the cylinder to the groove that clears a piece of metal near the base of the ignition switch well where the cylinder goes.

 

yes very interesting!! what is the place of manufacture?