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Old Sep 13, 2013 | 04:29 PM
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I know they have bumped the ratings for sales but 9500 is pushing the limits for a 1/2. Im not talking a bone dry empty truck and 9500 trailer. But a truck 600lbs of passengers 150lbs of dogs, 500lbs of canoes, bikes, generator, gear plus 1400lbs tongue weight and your at 2700lbs already.
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SuperCab 4x4 163" 3.5L EcoBoost V6 8200*/‡ 2390*/‡
The only ones i see that can be "equiped right" are 2wd or regular cabs.

I know everyone has their own opinions but ive camped a long time and know that im usually 1000-1500lbs of people dogs and gear depending on who, where, how long, and what we are doing (canoing, hunting etc) and i know some people tow with well under 10% tongue weight which i also wont do for reasons obvious to anyone that has trailored much!

I know my lil 5.4 isnt as powerful but seldom is acceleration going to get you out of an accident. A blown tire from an overloaded 1/2? Will! But like i said i think 9500 is marginal with a 1/2 not undosble.
 
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Old Sep 13, 2013 | 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Anomic
I know they have bumped the ratings for sales but 9500 is pushing the limits for a 1/2. Im not talking a bone dry empty truck and 9500 trailer. But a truck 600lbs of passengers 150lbs of dogs, 500lbs of canoes, bikes, generator, gear plus 1400lbs tongue weight and your at 2700lbs already.
All of your payload is immaterial to the 9,500 lbs trailer weight that you mentioned above. The truck is just fine with that trailer, but of course all the other stuff you are loading in the truck could put you over your GVWR and GAWR. Makes sense to me now why you are skeptical about a 1/2 ton truck.

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A blown tire from an overloaded 1/2? Will! But like i said i think 9500 is marginal with a 1/2 not undosble.
You won't be blowing any tires from being overloaded unless you WAY overdo it. When we did the Ohio Meet I had 4 adults in my cab and a 15,000 lb trailer behind me and had no handling or power issues. I was over my rear GAWR by 550 lbs, but I was still 650 lbs under the rating of the rear tires. And I have the frequently bashed P-metric Goodyears that have served me well.

I've towed between 3,500-15,000 lbs with my truck in its short life, and when someone tells me that 9,500 lbs is marginal I have to disagree. Of course I agree you may need a heavier truck with all that payload you're hauling!
 
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Old Sep 13, 2013 | 05:07 PM
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Should be able to squeeze at least a couple extra MPGs with an SCT tune. There's a reason big companies like Sears and *** put SCT programmers on their fleet vehicles. Companies like that put significant time and effort into proving there'll be a return on investment before signing the dotted line.
 
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Old Sep 13, 2013 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
course I agree you may need a heavier truck with all that payload you're hauling!
Fat family. I think the lightest one is 200lbs and it goes (way) up from there. The dogs are fat also .

But really we usually go hunting or fishing which means alot of gear and if we are lucky 800lbs of moose could be thrown on top!!
 
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Old Sep 13, 2013 | 08:06 PM
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I'd suggest keeping the F-250 and get a smaller vehicle for commuting. Or, just put gas in it and go.

I think you've talked yourself out of an ecoboost. You've convinced yourself that it's unproven and you've convinced yourself that an F-150 can't handle a 9500 lb load. You won't be happy with the lighter truck.
 
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Old Sep 13, 2013 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by MorePowerTuning
Should be able to squeeze at least a couple extra MPGs with an SCT tune. There's a reason big companies like Sears and *** put SCT programmers on their fleet vehicles. Companies like that put significant time and effort into proving there'll be a return on investment before signing the dotted line.


Really? Can you source that?
 
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Old Sep 13, 2013 | 08:12 PM
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I say get a Superduty with the 6.7 Powerstroke. It will tow anything you hook to it, haul anything you put in it and would get just as good if not better mpg as the Eco and definitely better than your 5.4L...
 
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Old Sep 13, 2013 | 09:26 PM
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If buying just to save gas, I wouldn't do it.
 
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Old Sep 13, 2013 | 09:32 PM
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If buying just to save gas, I wouldn't do it.
Nobody ever really buys a new truck just to save gas, this is just one of the excuses we give our SO on why we "need" a new truck.
 
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Old Sep 13, 2013 | 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by EcoboostKev
I say get a Superduty with the 6.7 Powerstroke. It will tow anything you hook to it, haul anything you put in it and would get just as good if not better mpg as the Eco and definitely better than your 5.4L...
Yep, My 2wd Screw 6.7 w/3:31 would be in the high 18's to low 19's under the conditions the OP stated in his first post.
 
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Old Sep 13, 2013 | 11:06 PM
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How??? Only 4 more mpg vs my 250 and probbly half of that is less curb weight?
You asked for a realistic number.

I have a Eco w/3:55.

That is what my expectations would be driving under the conditions described.

Running 80, my 6.7 would get a steady 18.8.

The ecoboost will slip down to the lower 18's.
 
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Old Sep 14, 2013 | 07:23 PM
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I do really prefer my manual transmission as well. Part of the reason i got the '10 was that was the last of them. I doubt they are coming back due to emmissions tightning. If i REALLY grandpa it and do 65 instead of 80 and coast to stops, time lights etc i can get up to 16. 14 is driving like a real american lol.
 
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Old Sep 14, 2013 | 07:55 PM
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Wait for the 2015 models - supposed to weigh about 750 pounds lighter due to using more aluminum. That implies better fuel economy due to less weight.
 
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Old Sep 15, 2013 | 04:54 AM
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I wonder if they will get a 750lb payload increase as well? That would be sweet
 
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Old Sep 15, 2013 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by excaliber551
Maybe you don't realize it but the F150 used by Ford to get their fuel mileage ratings was a regular cab 6 cyl with 3:15-1 gears. The highway mileage was also achieved in a test that averages 48 mph
Can you source that? While it wouldn't surprise me there are more than a few people who have no difficulty matching or exceeding the EPA ratings. Of course all of them have 3.31 gears which aren't rated to tow Anomic's trailer.

Originally Posted by BlueOval5.0
Wait for the 2015 models - supposed to weigh about 750 pounds lighter due to using more aluminum. That implies better fuel economy due to less weight.
I think engine and aerodynamic improvements would be the only way to get any significant highway fuel economy increases. Would be great if payload increased, but I think that they would reduce GVWRs to match. I'll never understand why they do that.
 
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