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ah a wrecker, I think most of the guys just assumed you were just pulling a car dolly or some such for personal use. Ihave an 05 F350 4x4 CCLB with a slide in camper, weight is 11,000 plus or minus a dog or two. I was towed from The Little Bighorn massacre site to Billings, by a F550 with 6.0 straight cab wrecker. lots of large hills.With the 19.5 tires his rpm was about the same as my truck with stock 18" tires with 3.73 he pulled himself and me with less effort than my truck would have done by itself. On the other hand he did have to sling me, wee bit heavy for his wheel lift. No issues stopping but he was being careful to start braking sooner rather than later. at a guess his truck would run 14000 with the wrecker plus my 11000 and 300 hp of 6.0 walked it up 7% at 70 mph without grunting
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Nitrogen your right about him having to sling your truck a sling brings the casulity closer to the pivot (being the rear axle) which is a good way to keep the faw greater. ( wheel base x one half faw divided by over hang gives you the towing ability of the wrecker not to exceed the rear gawr ) which in yor case the wrecker that towed your truck was exceeding his by a lot. The gcwr of most one tons is 11000. This is why I really wanted the 19500 gcwr instead of the 18000 that I got thanks to Ford for not letting me get the gearing that I wanted.
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Nitrogen your right about him having to sling your truck a sling brings the casulity closer to the pivot (being the rear axle) which is a good way to keep the faw greater. ( wheel base x one half faw divided by over hang gives you the towing ability of the wrecker not to exceed the rear gawr ) which in yor case the wrecker that towed your truck was exceeding his by a lot. The gcwr of most one tons is 11000. This is why I really wanted the 19500 gcwr instead of the 18000 that I got thanks to Ford for not letting me get the gearing that I wanted.
You must have signed paperwork somewhere along the line, probably multiple times, so as sad as it is to admit, you should have read the fine print.
If I had over $50,000 to spend on a new truck, I would be fastidious about the details.
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Because no one "needs" 400 hp or 800 tq to pull what a pick up is capable of hauling. Detuning the engine puts less stress on the internals and helps the longevity. Fleet owners are more concerned with maintenance costs, longevity and operating expenses, all of which are improved by detuning.
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2nd stroke its called gcwr or stopping ability. Sure a 350 will pull the same as a 550 ( well I guess the 350 will out pull the 550 lol) but you get into trouble on a wrecker when you hang 3000 ibs 60 inches past the rear axle. You not only add 3000 ibs of the car or trucks weight of the axle that is lifted you have to add the removal of front axle transfer weight to the rear end also. So with that a wrecker has to have very strong frames, brakes, and high axle weights on the rear axle.
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Because no one "needs" 400 hp or 800 tq to pull what a pick up is capable of hauling. Detuning the engine puts less stress on the internals and helps the longevity. Fleet owners are more concerned with maintenance costs, longevity and operating expenses, all of which are improved by detuning.
It does make sense though why it is done, which I did state was explained in previous posts in the quote you used.
In a perfect world the purchaser could choose the tune on which ever truck, with understanding that the higher tunes/numbers would/could mean less longevity.
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Jamesom JC you are some what correct I got what I ordered but I didn't get what I wanted. I really wanted the 400 HP and I needed the 19500 gvwr what I didn't want was 410 gears I would of liked a taller gear like they put in the three quarter tons but then again with the 550 having 100 less HP that wouldn't of worked because I got cheated out of that extra HP lol I'm like every read blooded redneck I want hp.
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Jamesom JC you are some what correct I got what I ordered but I didn't get what I wanted. I really wanted the 400 HP and I needed the 19500 gvwr what I didn't want was 410 gears I would of liked a taller gear like they put in the three quarter tons but then again with the 550 having 100 less HP that wouldn't of worked because I got cheated out of that extra HP lol I'm like every read blooded redneck I want hp.
Enjoy the new truck!
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I think a few have took my post wrong. I had a choice in trucks and I clearly picked the best one on the market. I've never said my truck didn't run good it runs fine its just not a rocket ship like the 3/4 ton I drove that's when I got to digging in to find out mine was lacking the HP of the one I test drove and I know my truck is a little heaver even being a cab only but mine has 410 gears. There is a few thinks I need to get fixed for me to be completely happy but I'm sure Ford will make it right. I'm excited to see what my mpg will be on my long trip.
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I think a few have took my post wrong. I had a choice in trucks and I clearly picked the best one on the market. I've never said my truck didn't run good it runs fine its just not a rocket ship like the 3/4 ton I drove that's when I got to digging in to find out mine was lacking the HP of the one I test drove and I know my truck is a little heaver even being a cab only but mine has 410 gears. There is a few thinks I need to get fixed for me to be completely happy but I'm sure Ford will make it right. I'm excited to see what my mpg will be on my long trip.
Is that safe to go flying around in?
Honestly, I see this all day on Long Island roads. People going waaaaaaayyyyy too fast in extremely heavy pickup trucks. Please, I want to live past 40 years old. I have an EXTREMELY attractive fiance' that I want to live the rest of my life with, and I don't need some attention grabbing tool ruining that.
BTW, I'm the guy in the beat up 2002 f350 with 255 horsies cruising at 62-65 in the slow lane. You don't need to cut me off to show me you just got your toolbox waxed. I have more important things I am heading towards.
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