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Old Jul 28, 2013 | 05:27 PM
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Thinking of retiring my 300 six and installing a 351C. My ? is will the C-4 fit the Cleveland, or will I need a C-6 ?
 
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Old Jul 28, 2013 | 07:43 PM
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i know the 351c's will bolt up to a small block tranny so I think it would work. However, I don't know how long your little C4 would last behind the 351c.....unless it has been beefed up. 351c's are more of a high RPM motor because of the larger valve and intake runners, above 2500 RPM's they are screamers...
 
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Old Jul 28, 2013 | 08:29 PM
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351c was never offered in these trucks except in Australia. But, you should be able to make things fit except the exhaust system. You will have to custom make that. And you need to check and make sure a 351m/400 rear sump oil pan will fit, or buy a rear sump oil pan for the 351c. Most 351c's are front sump engines like most Ford engines originally were.
 
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Old Jul 28, 2013 | 08:54 PM
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You'll need a new flywheel also
 
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 12:57 PM
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The 351C shares the same bellhousing pattern as the 300 six, 302 and 351W so it will bolt up. I'm not sure how long the C-4 will live behind it though. You'll most likely need a rear sump pan from a 351M/400. I can't remember for sure but I think the motor mount bolt pattern is the same between a Cleveland and Modified block, so mounts for a '80-'82 with a 351M or 400 should work. You'll also need to switch the frame mounts since the six cylinder mounts won't work.
 
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 01:09 PM
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1980/83 F100 = Largest available V8: 302 2V

351C = 1970/74 Ford/Merc Passenger Cars only.

D0AZ-6781-D .. Pan Gasket: 1970/74 351C - 1975/82 351M - 1971/82 400.

E1TZ-6038-A (replaced D7TZ-6038-B) Right & E1TZ-6038-B (replaced D7TZ-6038-A) Left .. 351M/400 Rubber Insulators: 1977/79 F100/350 - 1978/82 Bronco - 1980/82 F150/350.
 
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rowdyredneck
The 351C shares the same bellhousing pattern as the 300 six, 302 and 351W so it will bolt up. I'm not sure how long the C-4 will live behind it though. You'll most likely need a rear sump pan from a 351M/400. I can't remember for sure but I think the motor mount bolt pattern is the same between a Cleveland and Modified block, so mounts for a '80-'82 with a 351M or 400 should work. You'll also need to switch the frame mounts since the six cylinder mounts won't work.
No, the 351m/400 is setup like the 429/460, bell and mounts. But he should be able to use the 302/351w mounting system on the 351c. You are correct, the six frame perches will have to go, and v8 ones will have to be scavenged from the junkyard and then bolted onto the frame.
 
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 04:30 PM
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You should look for a Windsor engine IMHO......save yourself from some grey hairs.
 
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 04:38 PM
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351W intro'd in 1969 Passenger Cars, 1975 Econolines & 1981 F150/350's & Bronco's.

No 1980/83 F100 came w/a 351W, were available with: 300 I-6 & 302 2V (1980/83), anemic 255 2V (1981/82-some, depended on state emission requirements), 'miracle' 3.8L V6 (1982/83).
 
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 04:38 PM
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Is what he has really a 351C? I always question that because I have heard a lot of people say they have a 351C & when I saw it it was not a 351C. More times than not a 351M. If you look on this forum a 351C is grouped with the 335 series (351M/400/351C)

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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by kermmydog
Is what he has really a 351C? I always question that because I have heard a lot of people say they have a 351C & when I saw it it was not a 351C. More times than not a 351M. If you look on this forum a 351C is grouped with the 335 series (351M/400/351C)

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And, Ford called it a Cleveland originally. What are the casting #'s? I have a book and can look it up.
 
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary Lewis
And, Ford called it a Cleveland originally. What are the casting #'s? I have a book and can look it up.
What book might that be? If it's the 'Red' book sold in book stores, it's not worth TWO CENTS! Has a gazillion errors and omissions.

351C: C = Cleveland ~ official FoMoCo terminology.

351M/400: The block is the same, so the block casting number (foundry mark) will be the same.

1977/79 F100/350, 1978/82 Bronco, 1980/82 F150/350: The block casting number is D7TE-6015-AB

Dunno what the block casting numbers would be for 351C/351M/400 Passenger Cars. There's at least two for 351C's.
 
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 06:52 PM
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What book might that be? If it's the 'Red' book sold in book stores, it's not worth TWO CENTS! Has a gazillion errors and omissions.

351C: C = Cleveland ~ official FoMoCo terminology.

351M/400: The block is the same, so the block casting number (foundry mark) will be the same.

1977/79 F100/350, 1978/82 Bronco, 1980/82 F150/350: The block casting number is D7TE-6015-AB

Dunno what the block casting numbers would be for 351C/351M/400 Passenger Cars. There's at least two for 351C's.
The book has red on it, but I won't call it a red book:



As for mistakes, you mean it is similar to the master parts catalog?

According to it the 400 blocks were marked either D1AE-A or D1AE-AC, while the 351M blocks were marked: D1AE-A2C, which had both small-block and 385-series bolt patterns; D4AE-B2A; D5AZ; D7TE-A2B; and D8TE. Obviously I yield to your knowledge in this area, as I know is what I read in the newspapers/forums/books.
 
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary Lewis
The book has red on it, but I won't call it a red book:



As for mistakes, you mean it is similar to the master parts catalog?
How many mistakes have you found? How many mistakes are yours, cuz you're misinterpreting it?
This is not the Red book, it was originally published in the 1970's by two clueless clucks who were members of the Fabulous 50's Ford Club.

Neither had parts catalogs, wouldn't know how to use them if they did. They based their info on vehicles they looked at...at junkyards, swap meets & car shows.

Someone else has updated and is publishing it today, he's just as clueless as the two clucks.

POS book also decodes part number prefixes, it's SOOOO WRONG .. that it's laughable!
 
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
This is not the Red book, it was originally published in the 1970's by two clueless clucks who were members of the Fabulous 50's Ford Club.

Neither had parts catalogs, wouldn't know how to use them if they did. They based their info on vehicles they looked at...at junkyards, swap meets & car shows.

Someone else has updated and is publishing it today, he's just as clueless as the two clucks.

POS book also decodes part number prefixes, it's SOOOO WRONG .. that it's laughable!

How many mistakes have you found? How many mistakes are yours, cuz you're misinterpreting it?
Probably lots - of mine.

I've seen books like that, myself. Bought one on Super Bees and didn't get out of the store before I started laughing.
 
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