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Old 07-19-2013, 11:21 PM
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Ignition issues

'79 F100 with a 302
Driving down the road it'll just die. Step on the clutch, bump the starter and it'll fire back up. I can also step on the clutch for a second and let it back out and it'll fire up. I've swapped coil, pickup and ignition module. No change. I got to chasing voltage and only have 7.9 volts at coil. At connector by firewall I have 8 volts. For fun I ran a jumper wire from coil to battery and it doesn't miss a lick. So I replaced ignition switch thinking that might be my voltage drop. No change.

Shouldn't there be 12.7 ish volts at coil??? Haynes wiring diagram bites. Wire colors etc. don't match but I can see no reason for a voltage drop in the schematics.
 
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Old 07-20-2013, 12:25 AM
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DO NOT RUN 12 VOLTS TO THE COIL. There is a resistor wire that runs to the coil. It sounds like you have proper voltage. I would suspect a loose connection or a wire grounding out. My '76 460 had a small break in the insulation that would periodically ground against the back edge of the intake manifold and kill the engine.

One other thing to check: with the engine running, wiggle the key around in the ignition. A worn out ignition cylinder can cause the engine to die. If you wiggle the key and the engine cuts out or dies, you've found the problem.
 
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Everything VocaTexas said is 100% spot on. Your voltages are normal.
 
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Old 07-20-2013, 03:57 PM
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Any idea where this resistor wire is located?
 
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Old 07-20-2013, 04:11 PM
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It's bundled in the dash harness (and unrelated to your problem).
 
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Old 07-20-2013, 04:40 PM
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I got it! Just trying to wrap my head around how it worked. I was going to start trying to chase a chafed wire or something. I've been chasing this for days. If the darn thing would go ahead and break I'd be golden. It's a pain chasing ghosts!
 
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Old 07-20-2013, 07:28 PM
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I would start by tracing the wiring from the distributor back to the firewall, paying special attention to the wire that feeds power to the coil. I'll bet you have a bare spot on that wire that is grounding out, from the sound of the problem.
 
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Old 07-20-2013, 07:52 PM
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The plug at the fire wall looked like crap. I repaired that a few days ago. The rest of the harness looks surprising good although I haven't removed the electrical tape from it yet. This afternoon I ran a test wire from the firewall connector to the coil bypassing all the "suspected" wiring. Drove it around quite a bit since and so far so good. I'll leave that wire until next weekend and if my ghost doesn't reappear I'll yank out the harness and rebuild it from the firewall out.
 
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Did you check the ignition switch as previously outlined? It's much more likely to be the cause of the issue than wiring, since it has moving parts. It's probably the most common cause of such issues, behind the ignition module and pickup, both of which you have already replaced.
 
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Old 07-21-2013, 09:09 AM
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I guess I left that out but I have replaced the ignition switch.
 
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