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Old Jun 10, 2003 | 06:25 AM
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I picked up my truck over the weekend....03, F250 x-cab 4x4, sonic blue.....Damn pretty truck. Ran Great Sunday.....Monday is a different story.......spit and sputtered @ 60mph....check engine light comes on....black smoke out the rear. Pulled into the dealer and there she sits waiting until today. Total miles on the truck...150. I just found this site so I'm not sure of the engine build date......


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Old Jun 11, 2003 | 11:22 AM
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Sorry to hear of your troubles. I know how you feel. I just talked with the dealer in Arkansas that fixed mine to ask if they had performed the 03B05 and 03B06 recalls. He informed me that they had not performed these specific recall's due to customer complaints. According to him they have performed a number of these updates and have not had one satisfied customer. He recommended that I wait until Ford has them sorted out before I proceed with mine. Hope everything works out.
 
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Old Jun 12, 2003 | 05:59 AM
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Picked up my truck yesterday morning from the dealer. They said the problem was caused by debris in the turbo. They corrected the problem and ran the truck monitoring for about 50 miles with no other problems. Great news. So far I have about 500 miles, I'll keep updating.....
 
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Old Jun 12, 2003 | 11:34 AM
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I sold my 1997 F-150, 4.6 liter with 63,000 carefree miles and purchased a F-250, 6.0 L, 4x4, CC Lariat so that I could pull a larger boat (haven't bought yet). Picked up the truck at the end of May, truck was built in Feb., have 1,200 miles on it, and it has been in the shop once. After the first 500 a problem surfaced. Rough idle and smoke coming from the tailpipe after restarting a warm engine. The mpg also dropped. Took the truck to the dealership, they did a reprogram, and the problem is still there and the performance seems to be worse. I'm pissed. I'm a retired design engineer and this is bull. Engineering does life testing, field testing, performance testing, and on and on and on. To let a product out into the market place with these problems is corporate greed, period. I spent over $40,000 for this truck and expect quality.
 
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Old Jun 12, 2003 | 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by USA255
Sorry to hear of your troubles. I know how you feel. I just talked with the dealer in Arkansas that fixed mine to ask if they had performed the 03B05 and 03B06 recalls. He informed me that they had not performed these specific recall's due to customer complaints. According to him they have performed a number of these updates and have not had one satisfied customer. He recommended that I wait until Ford has them sorted out before I proceed with mine. Hope everything works out.
Take my word for it.....you want to get that ICP changed out asap. Just make sure they DO NOT reflash it. The original ICP's can possibly go without issues longer than others, but it's not worth the gamble. The original ones have proven to be defective and they were not designed for that kind of heat. It was the exact same one that was used on the 7.3. The inside literally melts out and causes diesel to seep into the crankcase. It's a quick fix and makes absolutely no difference in the performance of your engine. LIke I said though make sure they do not reflash it. You don't have. The unsatisfied customers comment would be correct and also due to the reflash which adds the rough idle, dead pedal etc..........No matter what "real fix" Ford comes up with in the next 45 days that original ICP sensor is defective and will eventually fail.
 
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Old Jun 13, 2003 | 01:05 AM
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Diesel can't seep into the crankcase -- there is no diesel in the ICP. You are correct, however, about changing the ICP if it the earlier type.
 
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Old Jun 13, 2003 | 07:13 AM
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Thanks for the information. After posing this information to the dealer I purchased my truck from they recommended that as my truck was running good not to mess with it. Do you all agree? Guess they are going with the old "if its not broke don't fix it" mentality. Guess I am of the impression that it is broke, it just does'nt know it yet. Any thoughts? Do I have them perform both 03B05 and 03B06 or just 03B05 (replacement of the ICP sensor).

Thanks for all the advise and help. By the way my truck has 4020 miles on it. F250 4x4 crew cab.
 
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Old Jun 13, 2003 | 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by The Diesel Dude
Diesel can't seep into the crankcase -- there is no diesel in the ICP. You are correct, however, about changing the ICP if it the earlier type.
I suppose I was getting ahead of myself. Doesn't that bad ICP leak diesel into the motor which in turn eventually ends up in the pan? Or is not even related at all to diesel getting into the motor? I thought that was the big rub on it.
 
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Originally posted by USA255
Thanks for the information. After posing this information to the dealer I purchased my truck from they recommended that as my truck was running good not to mess with it. Do you all agree? Guess they are going with the old "if its not broke don't fix it" mentality. Guess I am of the impression that it is broke, it just does'nt know it yet. Any thoughts? Do I have them perform both 03B05 and 03B06 or just 03B05 (replacement of the ICP sensor).

Thanks for all the advise and help. By the way my truck has 4020 miles on it. F250 4x4 crew cab.
Don't mean to sound like aknow it all, but I have learned that dealers can only download reflash programs up to 2 flashes ago and the last 2 were crap. I have also heard that you do not need to reflash after changing the ICP. Therefore if I had it to do all over again I would just change the ICP and leave the factory programming. At this point I think Ford knows that they were barking up the wrong tree thinking they could fix these issues with software alone. It will be a combination of both some sensors and software I believe. Just my thoughts. I'm not any more Genie like than anybody else.
 
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Ok... I have a build date of Jan 24,03 for the motor. Does that make this an early ICP??
 
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Old Jun 13, 2003 | 09:51 PM
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In the latest issue of "Truck Trends" mag., there was an article about Ford's 6.0 PSD problems being caused by a bad pressure sensor. It sounds like the same problems I've heard from you guys! Might check it out, it is the first time I've actually heard them say they had identified the problem! Good luck.
 
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Ok... I have a build date of Jan 24,03 for the motor. Does that make this an early ICP??


Yes.
 
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Old Jun 14, 2003 | 01:20 AM
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I suppose I was getting ahead of myself. Doesn't that bad ICP leak diesel into the motor which in turn eventually ends up in the pan? Or is not even related at all to diesel getting into the motor? I thought that was the big rub on it.
The ICP reads injection pressure which is oil pressure from the high pressure oil system. The ICP does not contact fuel in any way and there is no fuel in it. When the ICP goes bad it gets oil into the electronics and screws up the readings, giving the ECM a nervous breakdown.
Suppose the system is calling for 2800 PSI of injection pressure and the ICP is erroneously reporting that it has 1800 PSI. The ECM tells the IPR that it needs another 1000 PSI and the IPR delivers. Then a nanosecond later the ICP tells the ECM that it now has 3800 PSI (which is correct), so the ECM tells the IPR to back it off, then the ICP starts lying to the ECM again and it just goes nuts (this is all happening hundreds of times per second). That is what happens when you've got a liquid in an electronic circuit when it is not supposed to be there (see how well your cell phone works after you've dropped it in the toilet).
 
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Old Jun 14, 2003 | 02:09 AM
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Originally posted by detour13
I picked up my truck over the weekend....03, F250 x-cab 4x4, sonic blue.....Damn pretty truck. Ran Great Sunday.....Monday is a different story.......spit and sputtered @ 60mph....check engine light comes on....black smoke out the rear. Pulled into the dealer and there she sits waiting until today. Total miles on the truck...150. I just found this site so I'm not sure of the engine build date......


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dubbed the
Power Stroke, for repairs. Notices go out this week to owners of
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66,720 trucks are affected.

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