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Old May 22, 2013 | 12:33 AM
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And Tim the heads are cast iron, you must be thinking Dmax

When did you flush coolant last and how are/were your deltas (pre this problem). Oil coolers are pretty cheap when you're in that deep... And the STC fitting kit comes w/ the new IPR screen and the oil cooler kit comes with the new ss pick-up screen...
 
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Old May 22, 2013 | 08:17 AM
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Do you have a pyrometer to watch your EGT's? With a stock exhaust, SRL, and no pyrometer you're asking for trouble as car as the heads are concerned.
Okay, thanks. I was under the impression that the turbo was the sole concern, with regards to pyrometer and stock exhaust, not so much heads. That's why I was so easy on the accelerator while running SRL, concerns for damaging the turbo. Arrrrg

Well, I guess It'll be a good time to install a pyrometer, while it's apart. Then, once I recover from the financial hit from the heads, time for exhaust...

It appears this may have been an expensive mistake. Though I really felt that I was careful to not overheat the exhaust, being easy on the accelerator any more than short durations when needed. Live and learn, I suppose.
 
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Old May 22, 2013 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by diesel_dan
And Tim the heads are cast iron, you must be thinking Dmax

When did you flush coolant last and how are/were your deltas (pre this problem). Oil coolers are pretty cheap when you're in that deep... And the STC fitting kit comes w/ the new IPR screen and the oil cooler kit comes with the new ss pick-up screen...
The diesel in coolant was discovered while doing a VC9 flush. I had the VC9 flush done because I had bought a coolant filter at an auto parts store that was SCA charged, then found out on FTE that SCA is bad for Ford Gold. Flushed to get the SCA out and the tech said he smelled diesel in coolant...

The oil cooler was changed only about 20K miles ago, under warranty. That's when I got the egr delete, coolant filter and SCT tuner to turn off CEL, while apart for oil cooler change. The canned tune shifted a bit harsh so I bought Matt's tunes and like them much more. Wish I would have followed up with exhaust and pyrometer.

Would it be a good idea to go ahead and change the oil cooler, again, while apart?

The hoses aren't swollen... Should all rubber hoses be replaced? I assume so...
 
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Old May 22, 2013 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by olfordsnstone
The diesel in coolant was discovered while doing a VC9 flush. I had the VC9 flush done because I had bought a coolant filter at an auto parts store that was SCA charged, then found out on FTE that SCA is bad for Ford Gold. Flushed to get the SCA out and the tech said he smelled diesel in coolant...

The oil cooler was changed only about 20K miles ago, under warranty. That's when I got the egr delete, coolant filter and SCT tuner to turn off CEL, while apart for oil cooler change. The canned tune shifted a bit harsh so I bought Matt's tunes and like them much more. Wish I would have followed up with exhaust and pyrometer.

Would it be a good idea to go ahead and change the oil cooler, again, while apart?

The hoses aren't swollen... Should all rubber hoses be replaced? I assume so...
Since you just did the oil cooler and flush, I'd only do it if the deltas were starting to run higher. You likely have the new cooler and screen...

I've read that once you get fuel in the coolant replacing hoses is recommended, but it seems to me it'd take a high concentration of fuel to damage the rubber -- maybe one of our resident techs or other experts will give an opinion.
 
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Old May 22, 2013 | 08:22 PM
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Okay, thanks. I was under the impression that the turbo was the sole concern, with regards to pyrometer and stock exhaust, not so much heads. That's why I was so easy on the accelerator while running SRL, concerns for damaging the turbo. Arrrrg

Well, I guess It'll be a good time to install a pyrometer, while it's apart. Then, once I recover from the financial hit from the heads, time for exhaust...

It appears this may have been an expensive mistake. Though I really felt that I was careful to not overheat the exhaust, being easy on the accelerator any more than short durations when needed. Live and learn, I suppose.
Your issue lies in the fact that you're running a hot tune on stock exhaust with no pyrometer, so you have no idea what it's running for EGT's. This is a big no-no as high EGT will damage the heads for any extended period of time.
 
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Old May 22, 2013 | 08:42 PM
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Live and learn... And DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU HEAR ! ! !
The SRL tune was supposed to be mild and safe for my application. I always kinda wondered how it could run so good and still be as safe as I was told. I guess I followed advise and "assumed" that the 6.0 was able to take it. WRONG ! ! !
Like I said, live and learn.
 
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Old May 23, 2013 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by olfordsnstone
Live and learn... And DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU HEAR ! ! !
The SRL tune was supposed to be mild and safe for my application. I always kinda wondered how it could run so good and still be as safe as I was told. I guess I followed advise and "assumed" that the 6.0 was able to take it. WRONG ! ! !
Like I said, live and learn.
It is safe to a point, but with a stock exhaust and no pyrometer you have no idea what's really going on. Some trucks seem to run hotter than others. I've never been able to push my EGT's past 1200 with my SCT on Performance and a 4" exhaust, but some people have said they've been able to get it up to 1400.
 
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Old May 23, 2013 | 08:54 AM
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I ran the SRL with the stock exhaust and no pyro. I put the pyro in and found it hits 1500+ degrees. I put on the 4" turbo back and it came down a little but not much.

With the SRL+ and the turbo back it still hits 1400 degrees.

The temps creep up when you stay in it for a long pull north of 60mph.
 
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Old May 23, 2013 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by MisterCMK
I ran the SRL with the stock exhaust and no pyro. I put the pyro in and found it hits 1500+ degrees. I put on the 4" turbo back and it came down a little but not much.

With the SRL+ and the turbo back it still hits 1400 degrees.

The temps creep up when you stay in it for a long pull north of 60mph.

Holy kanasta! 1400!? My Edge Insight alarm is set at 1250F, and I have only had that come in on a momentary basis on one occasion!
 
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Even 1400 isn't all that bad for a very short period of time
 
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That's what gets me, I never stayed into it for long durations at all. That, and the fact that others have had their heads crack with bone stock 6.0s kinda makes me wonder if the SRL had all that much at all to do with it.
When I was towing I always used the "unlimited tow" tune, which is supposed to be pretty conservative.
 
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Old May 23, 2013 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by MisterCMK
I ran the SRL with the stock exhaust and no pyro. I put the pyro in and found it hits 1500+ degrees. I put on the 4" turbo back and it came down a little but not much.

With the SRL+ and the turbo back it still hits 1400 degrees.

The temps creep up when you stay in it for a long pull north of 60mph.
Wow, 1500* ?! Crap, was that while not towing/hauling, empty? And exhaust didn't help much? I think I'm gonna dump that tune once I get the truck fixed.
 
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Old May 23, 2013 | 07:56 PM
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I never had any problems. The temps are hot but they come down quickly when you let off the throttle.

Unlimited tow is just trans tuning and the egr turned off.

Heads sometimes crack. I don't think the srl had anything to do with it.
 
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