T98 4spd swap?
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T98 4spd swap?
Ok after many hours of reading and going back and forth with weighing options, I've decided to stay with the 292 in my 60 f100 and just rebuild it. Even if I have to take out another mortgage on the house..lol. I love the 292 and the way it sounds with a cam. They are really proud of their aftermarket parts for the y block though. My question now is, will a t98 4 spd bolt right up to the 292 without and changes and modifications? Same bell housing as the 3spd? I'm basically looking for a plug and play trans besides the 3 on the tree. I was wanting to convert to floor shift anyway. This way I can keep the 292 and gain an extra gear/floor shift as well. Thoughts please...
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I just threw a 4 speed t-98 in my 59 f-250 and I love it, But don't think you will gain an extra gear... you will almost never use 1st. It is a granny low 6.40:1 if i remember correctly. There are a few stories of guys around here lowering their rear end ratio to about 3.00:1 so that they could use the 1st gear (I may do that some day) but not exactly plug and play.
Edit: I glanced over my parts book and as far as I can tell there is only one bell housing so you may well be in the clear in that aspect.
Edit: I glanced over my parts book and as far as I can tell there is only one bell housing so you may well be in the clear in that aspect.
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Thanks, I didn't realize that 1st gear was geared that low. for some reason I was thinking it was a 3 spd with overdrive. Were you able to use the same Hyd. clutch and pedal setup? I guess I may not be gaining anything with going with a t98. I'm still learning so bear with me if some of this sounds dumb.
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I used the same master and slave cylinder but I opted to go with a larger diameter clutch (11" instead of a 10" and I believe you can get a 12" for it) There is no reason you have to go with a different sized clutch. I would actually guess that you already have an 11" clutch because you have the 292 while I have the 223 six. Overdrive transmissions of this vintage are few and far between. Most transmissions were 1:1 top ratio at this time.
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I'll do some more searching and see what I can come up with for an OD option. I was reading you could have your bell housing modified for other transmissions or buy an adapter for your current setup. I'm basically trying to achieve a nice highway driver and still be able to play around with the 292 after the rebuild. This will be more of a street rod truck with a mild cam. It will not be a work horse type of truck. If I can get the gearing right I suppose I could stay with the 3 spd and do a floor conversion. I would like to drive it like a car, so to speak.
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A couple options you have with your engine are to find an original 3 speed plus OD transmission, adapt a T5 5 speed OD transmission or to create a "OD" with a 3.00:1 rear ratio like I told you about with the T-98. Then there is always the option of finding an engine/transmission combination from something a little newer and transplanting.
Easiest: Probably the T5 conversion because you can order the bellhousing needed and t5's are very common. Word of caution about these transmissions, they are not exceedingly durable and were not meant for use in a pickup. As with everything, when treated right they will last.
Cheapest: Might be a toss up between the T5 and the original OD transmission... That is IF you can find one.
Most durable: t-98 will never die.
Easiest: Probably the T5 conversion because you can order the bellhousing needed and t5's are very common. Word of caution about these transmissions, they are not exceedingly durable and were not meant for use in a pickup. As with everything, when treated right they will last.
Cheapest: Might be a toss up between the T5 and the original OD transmission... That is IF you can find one.
Most durable: t-98 will never die.
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Is there a write up on the 5spd swap anywhere? I was reading up on it and it doesn't seem all that bad. Looks like you can get everything done at Mummerts for modifying the bell housing. I'm just not sure about some of the details. Like using the Hyd clutch and stock pedel, I'm assuming you would have to fab up a cross member and get a custom driveshaft made. Also I bet the shifter would sit pretty far back almost hitting the seat.
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Here is where google is your friend!
Technical y-block T5 conversion - a will, a mill and a way - THE H.A.M.B.
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https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...r-60-f100.html
The second link addresses the shifter being too far back. You can do a tail swap from a S10 to move the shifter forward. The clutch setup will not change because you can use your current flywheel and pressure plate. The only parts needing replaced are your pilot bearing and your clutch plate to match the transmission splines. You can retain your existing hydraulic clutch setup as it is with no modifications.
Edit: Here is another good spot for information!
http://www.flatheadv8.org/ernie/ernie-t5.htm
Technical y-block T5 conversion - a will, a mill and a way - THE H.A.M.B.
and
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...r-60-f100.html
The second link addresses the shifter being too far back. You can do a tail swap from a S10 to move the shifter forward. The clutch setup will not change because you can use your current flywheel and pressure plate. The only parts needing replaced are your pilot bearing and your clutch plate to match the transmission splines. You can retain your existing hydraulic clutch setup as it is with no modifications.
Edit: Here is another good spot for information!
http://www.flatheadv8.org/ernie/ernie-t5.htm
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Man thanks a bunch! Seems like I'm getting some where now. I've been taking notes on everything and weighing all my options. i really want to keep the 292 and this just might be the answer!
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Looks like I will need this from y_blocks and few other minor things. After doing a lot of reading on this, this seems like a very doable and fairly easy swap. It says I can use the stock hyd clutch assemble and everything. I will just need to figure out a speedo gear and drive shaft now. No one ever mentions a cross member for the trans. I wonder if you will need one or not? Seems like it wouldn't be a bad idea behind a stout 292.
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I just threw a 4 speed t-98 in my 59 f-250 and I love it, But don't think you will gain an extra gear... you will almost never use 1st. It is a granny low 6.40:1 if i remember correctly. There are a few stories of guys around here lowering their rear end ratio to about 3.00:1 so that they could use the 1st gear (I may do that some day) but not exactly plug and play.
Edit: I glanced over my parts book and as far as I can tell there is only one bell housing
so you may well be in the clear in that aspect.
Edit: I glanced over my parts book and as far as I can tell there is only one bell housing
so you may well be in the clear in that aspect.1957/63 & 1964/72 Ford Truck Parts Catalogs:
B8C-7505-A .. Bellhousing = 1958/64 F100/250 223/272/292 3 Speed Manual.
B8Y-7505-A .. Bellhousing = 1958/64 F100/600 272/292 4 Speed (Warner T-98) / 1958/64 F350 272/292 with Warner T-87 H/D 3 Speed Manual.
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I shouldn't have second guessed myself. Getting something wrong on this forum is too painful. In the parts manual the Housing Assembly - Clutch for the 292 are scattered around the page and I seemed to have missed one.
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The bellhousing IS NOT THE SAME for the t98 and the 3 sp t86. You need to get one that has the hyd clutch mount. The 3 sp bell can be modded for a t5. Go to FORD Y. If you never plan on towing something heavy, either keep the 3 sp or go with a t5. If you do decide to go t98, I have one. And you could pull a house without breaking it. The clutch assy is the same for both trans and is either a 10 or 11 as already stated. I have an 11" (don't even go there!!!). The bell I have for it isn't stock. Somewhere along the line someone added the slave cylinder mount and it appears to be a good job. I didn't look to see where you're located. I'm in the Pac NW. If it's feasible, maybe a straight swap? PM me
Also you'll need a different trans hump. They're removable on these and are different for the 3sp and 4 sp. I have one of each.
when Photobucket comes back up (pls no comments about the 11") I'll post a pic of the trans.
Also you'll need a different trans hump. They're removable on these and are different for the 3sp and 4 sp. I have one of each.
when Photobucket comes back up (pls no comments about the 11") I'll post a pic of the trans.