Notices

Advice on 300 build

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 10, 2013 | 08:01 PM
  #1  
xjfever's Avatar
xjfever
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 155
Likes: 0
From: North, Ga.
Advice on 300 build

I am looking to build my 4.9L and need some advice. Here is what I have planned so far.
Comp cams 260 extreme series cam with lifters, valve springs, retainers.
offy or clifford intake
EFI manifolds with single exhaust
ported and polished head
390 cfm holley carb.
If the bottom end is in good shape I plan to leave it at standard bore, but if it has some wear I will have it bored to .30 over.

Just wanted some critique on these plans and to see what you would do as far as rocker arms, and if the 390 cfm will be enough for this build.
The engine is an 85 model with the Duraspark II conversion and will have no emission stuff left with the build.
The plan is a nice low range torquey engine that will turn 35" tires with 4:10 gears with no issue, and occassonally tow a small boat/ 12 foot trailer with two quads.
So let me have your wisdom and advice please
The trans is a NP435 if that helps.
 
Reply
Old Mar 10, 2013 | 09:10 PM
  #2  
BaronVonAutomatc's Avatar
BaronVonAutomatc
Postmaster
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,949
Likes: 6
From: Earth
That should be just what you're looking for in terms of performance.

After '85 Ford used bolt-down rockers on the 300 heads, so unless you have it machined for screw-in studs there aren't a lot of options. Crane sell a stud conversion kit, but if the head is off anyway the kit would probably be a wash vs. machining and buying proper studs in terms of cost.

A 390 carb is fine, a 600 would be fine, whichever you can find cheaper. Any vacuum secondary carb is only going to let through as much air as the engine needs.
 
Reply
Old Mar 10, 2013 | 09:21 PM
  #3  
xjfever's Avatar
xjfever
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 155
Likes: 0
From: North, Ga.
Thanks for the info BVA. If I were to go with an earlier head what year would be the best for the screw in studs, and with that head what would you use for as far as rockers? Or would machining my head be just as easy as replacing it?
 
Reply
Old Mar 10, 2013 | 10:32 PM
  #4  
68cabby's Avatar
68cabby
Laughing Gas
10 Year Member
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,116
Likes: 0
I pretty much did to my engine what you're doing..cept with a 600.
 
Reply
Old Mar 11, 2013 | 04:28 AM
  #5  
xjfever's Avatar
xjfever
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 155
Likes: 0
From: North, Ga.
Originally Posted by 68cabby
I pretty much did to my engine what you're doing..cept with a 600.
After lots of reading it sounds like the 600 will work just fine and I have found them to be a good bit cheaper too. How do you like your set-up?
 
Reply
Old Mar 11, 2013 | 08:45 AM
  #6  
BaronVonAutomatc's Avatar
BaronVonAutomatc
Postmaster
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,949
Likes: 6
From: Earth
There's nothing wrong with the stock bolt-down rockers, machining for studs is only something that would have to be done if you wanted to use other rockers.
 
Reply
Old Mar 11, 2013 | 10:15 AM
  #7  
Harte3's Avatar
Harte3
Postmaster
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 3,603
Likes: 10
From: Spokane, WA
What BVA said X2. Stock rockers are just fine. You might consider re-curving the distributor. Duraspark_distributor_recurve_instructions_index
 
Reply
Old Mar 11, 2013 | 11:59 AM
  #8  
xjfever's Avatar
xjfever
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 155
Likes: 0
From: North, Ga.
Okay thanks. I was unsure if the stock rockers would be good enough with the new cam. So the list I had would be pretty much all that will be required other than new bearings, rings, timing set, oil pump, seals and gaskets. And of course the machine work and a new throttle cable.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-2

Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

 Brett Foote
story-5

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

 Brett Foote
story-7

Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-8

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-9

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
Old Mar 13, 2013 | 07:58 PM
  #9  
1983F1503004x4's Avatar
1983F1503004x4
Fleet Mechanic
10 Year Member
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,916
Likes: 4
Originally Posted by xjfever
Okay thanks. I was unsure if the stock rockers would be good enough with the new cam. So the list I had would be pretty much all that will be required other than new bearings, rings, timing set, oil pump, seals and gaskets. And of course the machine work and a new throttle cable.
You don't even have to mess with anything with a Comp 260 cam. The 260 works with stock valve springs as well, so no messing with the head.

If you went up to a 268 cam, you'd need stiffer springs and preferably screw in studs, but it also wouldn't be a lower rpm motor anymore.
 
Reply
Old Mar 13, 2013 | 11:14 PM
  #10  
68cabby's Avatar
68cabby
Laughing Gas
10 Year Member
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,116
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by BaronVonAutomatc
There's nothing wrong with the stock bolt-down rockers, machining for studs is only something that would have to be done if you wanted to use other rockers.
I wasn't aware that there was a difference in the bolt downs and the studs? I have bolt downs and wouldn't all I have to do is just fond studs and nuts to mount with? Just curious since I though both were the same
 
Reply
Old Mar 13, 2013 | 11:18 PM
  #11  
68cabby's Avatar
68cabby
Laughing Gas
10 Year Member
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,116
Likes: 0
I went ahead and freshened my springs up. But like it was said..not necessary with the 260. The cam itself is a great all around perfomance grind with no emphasis on higher and lower ends. Just an overall increaser. I installed the kit with the timing set..cam..litters..springs..didn't do the guides or anything. Engine had been previously gone through. Clean as a whistle. I haven't dropped it in yet..that's for Friday now that I have no ice on the ground or any previous obligations. Should get her running soon though! Let ya know for sure
 
Reply
Old Mar 14, 2013 | 08:10 AM
  #12  
BaronVonAutomatc's Avatar
BaronVonAutomatc
Postmaster
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,949
Likes: 6
From: Earth
Originally Posted by 68cabby
I wasn't aware that there was a difference in the bolt downs and the studs? I have bolt downs and wouldn't all I have to do is just fond studs and nuts to mount with? Just curious since I though both were the same
There are some kits available to convert bolt-down heads to studs, but standard studs have a different thread size than the head (head is 5/16, most studs are 7/16 or 3/8). Plus stud mount rocker heads have machined slots for the pushrods vs. round holes on the bolt-down heads (where the sled and rocker fulcrum keep everything aligned) so you would need some kind of guide plate.
 
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2013 | 12:43 AM
  #13  
F-250 restorer's Avatar
F-250 restorer
Lead Driver
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 7,182
Likes: 381
From: Near Los Angeles
I think you'd be better off with a Holley 390 or 465. You'll have better performance and throttle response with a smaller carb.
 
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2013 | 02:51 AM
  #14  
xjfever's Avatar
xjfever
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 155
Likes: 0
From: North, Ga.
Originally Posted by F-250 restorer
I think you'd be better off with a Holley 390 or 465. You'll have better performance and throttle response with a smaller carb.
My origonal plan was the 390cfm, but was told above the 600 would work just as well and I can get one of those much cheaper. That is one reason I started the other thread in here, to get some feedback from others as I plan this out. I am a long way from the engine right now, but want to be as informed as I can before making the first parts purchase
 
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2013 | 11:51 AM
  #15  
F-250 restorer's Avatar
F-250 restorer
Lead Driver
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 7,182
Likes: 381
From: Near Los Angeles
If you go to Summit Racing site, and search under Summit Carburetors, then click on 'more info', down at the bottom of the page will be a 'cfm calculater.'
A 300, turning max 5500 rpm, needs a 290 cfm carb, iirc.

With carbs bigger is not better. Yes, you could run a 600 cfm, as many on the forum do, but you'll sacrifice bottom end. You will get better performance and throttle response with the proper size carb. Just as cam shafts have a power range, a specific rpm where they come into their power, you don't want a carb that is too large for your engine and means you don't feel it really responsive until you hit 2-3k rpm. That is what a 600 cfm carb will give you on your engine.

A 390 or 465 cfm holley would work great. The Autolite 4100, with the 1.08 venturi, a 480 cfm carb that ford installed on small v8's, would be in the upper end range of desirability. The good thing about Holley's is that parts are plentiful, and you can find a nice late model one to rebuild for a good price. The 600 is a dime-a-dozen because they work great on mid size v8's. The price is a strong lure.

When buying or considering any used carb, press it firmly to a solid surface so it can't move, and while holding it use the other hand to see if the throttle shaft wiggles up and down any. If you can wiggle the throttle shaft that usually means excessive wear and a vacuum leak, which means having to install a bushing on the carb body.

Good luck. k
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:10 AM.

story-0
10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Ford trucks that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 09:51:16


VIEW MORE
story-1
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: the best gifts for dads & grads

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:58


VIEW MORE
story-2
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-03 11:38:36


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-4
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE
story-5
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-6
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-7
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-8
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE